Don't like PF

what's not to like

Do you sometimes 4bet 43o and then fold e.g. 53o? Because you shouldn't.

Its always better to bluff with the top of the range you are not willing to call with

Even if it is a good 4bet in regards to the gameflow, it will virtually never make up for the difference in equity between e.g K5s and 43o

I think timing is way more important than my hand in a spot where my opponent is raising or folding the wast majority of the time, if I had seen him call 4bets previously I wouldnt 4bet this hand.

edit: this player was multitabling so he's most likely a regular, the majority of regulars dont ever call 4bets and even the ones that do dont call that often, say on average Im getting called in this spot 5% of the time. the difference in equity between 34o and K5s those 5% of the time compared with how much more likely I think he is to fold at this precise moment rather than the next time I get dealt the top of my raise/folding range is negligible in my opinion.

On January 02 2010 07:43 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Do you sometimes 4bet 43o and then fold e.g. 53o? Because you shouldn't. Its always better to bluff with the top of the range you are not willing to call with

Eh? In a heads up dynamic timing your re-raises is also extremely important. The cards you decide to do it with are second to your opponents tendencies.

Agreed with that 100% edzwoo, just saying that the 4bet has to work much lower % of the time with better hands (pos. with a blocker) if there is a possibility of him ever calling.

Guess nothing indicated there was prior to the hand, but I guess you can imagine its hard not to be results oriented from my perspective

The other thing that has to be considered is you often won't expect to have your 4bet called, but either 5bet or folded, so you won't often be seeing a flop, and it's likely you're not calling a jam with a hand like K5.