you better have a pretty sick read to fold

you don't have to bet if you dont know what to do.

wat, why? i think u can fold this -_-;

I call and expect to see AxQs a lot here

I wouldn't bet turn after donking into 3 other people. C/C seems standard on the turn

On January 03 2010 12:09 tutz_x wrote: I call and expect to see AxQs a lot here

even if he has a flush like 75% of the time or something ridiculous like that this is probably still a call (didnt actually do any math but he'd need to have you beat really often), you just have so much equity when behind. also there are very few spade combos that arent combodraws on this flop.

+ board could also pair.

not EXTREMELY thrilled about it but still snapcalling with zero hesitation

bc when he doesn't have flush, which is like 15-30% of the time, you are realizing MMMMMMMMMMMONSTER equity, and when he does, you are still only incurring small -EV

On January 03 2010 12:23 [vital]Myth wrote: not EXTREMELY thrilled about it but still snapcalling with zero hesitation bc when he doesn't have flush, which is like 15-30% of the time, you are realizing MMMMMMMMMMMONSTER equity, and when he does, you are still only incurring small -EV

good point

I called pretty quickly but obviously wasn't super happy, he showed 98ss and i didn't boat ofc

On January 03 2010 12:15 Grass.nS) wrote: I wouldn't bet turn after donking into 3 other people. C/C seems standard on the turn

this totally blew my mind.. can u elaborate please


also maybe i have a major flaw in this range I'm kind of in arush but

Board: As 4s 7d Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.779% 70.78% 00.00% 436 0.00 { 7h7s }
Hand 1: 29.221% 29.22% 00.00% 180 0.00 { ATs, KsQs, KsJs, QsJs, 9s8s, AcQs, ATo }


how do I have so much equity daaaaaaaaaaaamn

I don't see why you'd donk in the first place. Seems like you'll force them to play pretty good most of the time.

On January 03 2010 12:43 DustySwedeDude wrote: I don't see why you'd donk in the first place. Seems like you'll force them to play pretty good most of the time.

this is a good point that I think about a lot, I think it is really easy to play vs these donks vs most regs (including me in this spot.. which is why it isn't my total standard to donk here). But I chose to donk this time because that $80 stack is a fish and with the flop being 3way or whatever I think its extremely unlikely the PFR is going to cbet into 3 people without having an A on this board

what do you think?

i won't be able to respond for like 6 hours or somethin but I'll definitely be returning to see if anyone reponded.. thanks

well he won't pay you off 3 streets with anything he won't cbet THAT often and the shortie, well you'll get him over 2 streets anyway (or close too) so just let the reg cbet his stuff, the shortie get trapped in the middle and then raise big cause shortie will never fold anything anyway and the reg will be hard pressed to fold a good A considering the FD and everything.

On January 03 2010 12:51 DustySwedeDude wrote: well he won't pay you off 3 streets with anything he won't cbet THAT often and the shortie, well you'll get him over 2 streets anyway (or close too) so just let the reg cbet his stuff, the shortie get trapped in the middle and then raise big cause shortie will never fold anything anyway and the reg will be hard pressed to fold a good A considering the FD and everything.

good point

On January 03 2010 12:15 Grass.nS) wrote: I wouldn't bet turn after donking into 3 other people. C/C seems standard on the turn

this totally blew my mind.. can u elaborate please


also maybe i have a major flaw in this range I'm kind of in arush but

Board: As 4s 7d Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.779% 70.78% 00.00% 436 0.00 { 7h7s }
Hand 1: 29.221% 29.22% 00.00% 180 0.00 { ATs, KsQs, KsJs, QsJs, 9s8s, AcQs, ATo }


how do I have so much equity daaaaaaaaaaaamn[/QUOTE]

I don't like your donkbet in the first place, mainly b/c it's not something I do, but when you do donkbet on this board against this many people you should realize how strong you look. Given that, when u lead again on the turn when the 3rd spade hits u look sick strong. Even if he has AQ w/ Q of spades I'm sure he's more likely to call given the amount of showdown value he has and the fact that your range is now very polarized to nuts/bluff. Because of this, you're not going to get paid off by much worse, with AxQs being one of the few hands that come to mind and even then you're most likely only getting paid 2 streets tops. So I'd rather C/C to try and hit a boat and when said boat hits lead the river or if it checks through valuebet the river.

thanks, i like your reasoning