Not much history and haven't seen him spazz but initial reaction is what does he shove here that is that strong? Thoughts?

call i guess? From a logical stand point it's more probable he wouldn't have AA or KK here cuz i think he'd only call flop if he had KK/AA with a heart cuz that flop is drawy especially if you have been 3 bettin him enough ip where he thinks you could have connected with this flop in some way or another. Also, doesn't look like he setmined i dont think? Looks like a nub playing an 88 type hand.

Thanks. I called and he had 66 so the call was good. Just wanted to test my initial reaction/logic.

Maybe i got it wrong, but how is it a good call, when he overbets and you call with what? like 30%?
Im not talking about a range here, but you said "he had 66 so it was a good call"... well i disagree

I call this cos it makes so little sense for him to have anything here which threatens our 15 outs. I prefer bet/calling the turn big though by a long way to get him off exactly something like 66.

against 66, you are at 31,8% of win. you have to put 20 to win 34 (37%). So a -ev call.
I would fold. We see that it's -ev against pp. Crushed by a 7 and 46. So you have to ponder if he can show up with 2 hearts which is not sol likely due to pf action. And as you have no reads, I would fold.

Usually such overshove means that the guy is in a tough spot (not air but medium hands) and he doesn't know what to do. So he just puts the money in.

On January 12 2010 05:49 ERASA wrote: Maybe i got it wrong, but how is it a good call, when he overbets and you call with what? like 30%? Im not talking about a range here, but you said "he had 66 so it was a good call"... well i disagree

Unless I screwed up my math we are a favourite over anything but AA/KK and sets. Sets are possible but AA/KK seemed unlikely so I think it is good?

Fav on the turn? against 66? as i said roughly 30%

On January 12 2010 06:02 ERASA wrote: Fav on the turn? against 66? as i said roughly 30%

Aah - yes - I am a donk. Was looking at flop.

First, you are favourite against almost nothing (air and fd), as favory means more than 50% to win the pot. (I guess you meant a call is +ev, which is clearly different as you have to consider the money already in the pot).
fact is, unless Iscrewed it up, it is -ev. you need 37% or more to make it call while you have 32% to win

dislike turn check, i lead

Its not like he can never shove weaker than AK...
9Thh or AQo hero showed weakness on the turn, so he might just try to steal the pot.

Yep - was being dumb. If we add in a few AQ/AJ type hands as well as all pairs except AA/KK and sets we have enough equity.....but that's a stretch. Ok I suck.

On January 12 2010 06:09 d.Apollo wrote: dislike turn check, i lead

I think I agree. I checked as I couldn't see him calling flop with anything that wouldn't call a turn bet - most time overs will fold to flop bet. When he shoved turn I just thought he was FOS and I had pretty good equity. But as we know my math sucks....

just shove the turn urself.

that way ur not behind shit like 66

ur logic of checking the turn is really bad.

bet flop/shove turn is my main line here.

or u can bet/bet/shove.

just dont stop betting when u have the mega draw

TY Zalfor - bet shove I like as it's hard for him to call with most of his range and I really don't think he is folding to a river shove most times if he is calling turn bet (at 50nl anyway).