you gotta pick better bluffspots dude

this is "im gonna win every pot" syndrome

Well I Try, but if u look at my red line in any of my graphs it is sick bad.. I just don't have an understanding of why this is a bad spot.. turns out this particular villain is a maniac (I didn't know at the time). ok here's a quick rundown of what my thoughts on this hand could be..

random villain donks on fairly drawy board.. often times people and fish just randomly donk bluff, and I have 2 overs for some equity, so I raise.

villain calls raise.

Ok, so villain has something with some type of equity. Since he flat called, I don't expect him to have a strong made hand, maybe 5x 66-88, 9x, and lots of mediocre draws... so villain checks.

turn is a 9. There are fewer 9's in villains range and lower one pair hands should feel pretty uncomfortable facing more action, plus he has draws which I am ahead of and should protect my hand vs.. so I bet.

Can you help me out with why this is incorrect?

I'm not trying to be facetious or smart at all here.. I am just really clueless at poker. (this session I'm playing 4 tables and my only goals are to have an inclining red line and to not be spewing in my bluff, so I'm trying to bluff in spots I don't normally and apply my meager poker thinking abilities to these new situations)

How about chraise flop ch fold turn , you know he has a hand here if he calls ... I like

I'm gonna take a shot and say it's because you are representing a very narrow range. Villain called your raise on the flop and if he did that without a nine there is no reason for him to be folding turn because you can't have caught anything so there is a good chance he still doesn't believe you.

Basically there is no way your hand improved and he didn't fold flop so why should he fold turn?

huh?

true, is 9x, TT+, set and combo draws really so thin? Its like 50 combos of hands if you include lots of 9's.. but it is only like 30 combos of made non-9x hands

On March 17 2010 01:43 Night2o1 wrote: Well I Try, but if u look at my red line in any of my graphs it is sick bad.. I just don't have an understanding of why this is a bad spot.. turns out this particular villain is a maniac (I didn't know at the time). ok here's a quick rundown of what my thoughts on this hand could be.. random villain donks on fairly drawy board.. often times people and fish just randomly donk bluff, and I have 2 overs for some equity, so I raise. villain calls raise. Ok, so villain has something with some type of equity. Since he flat called, I don't expect him to have a strong made hand, maybe 5x 66-88, 9x, and lots of mediocre draws... so villain checks. turn is a 9. There are fewer 9's in villains range and lower one pair hands should feel pretty uncomfortable facing more action, plus he has draws which I am ahead of and should protect my hand vs.. so I bet. Can you help me out with why this is incorrect? I'm not trying to be facetious or smart at all here.. I am just really clueless at poker. (this session I'm playing 4 tables and my only goals are to have an inclining red line and to not be spewing in my bluff, so I'm trying to bluff in spots I don't normally and apply my meager poker thinking abilities to these new situations)

I think raising flop is okay because it generally has a lot of FE, but once they decide to continue I don't think it's a good idea.

One thing that needs to be very clear though is the red line is NOT going to go up if you raise, c/r, and barrel more. If you are not EXTREMELY careful in picking spots, your redline will actually TANK, and I know because I've been through phases where I did that and my redline would drop (never had a problem with it either).

Your redline has a lot to do with the amount of hands you open (you lose redline constantly per hand you play due to blinds, so the more hands you play the more you fight it) and your 3bet pots (the brunt of your winnings in 3bet pots will be redline).

the 9 turn decreases the chances villain folds midpair though...it really is a terrible turn card to continue on. also if he donked a weak top pair, which a lot of ppl do, he now turned trips.

the flop raise is not bad i think (i could be wrong) cuz some ppl will just straight up fold really often when they donk bet, but its also fine to just fold to it since you dont have that much equity (the flush draw decreases your equity).

On March 17 2010 01:43 Night2o1 wrote: turn is a 9. There are fewer 9's in villains range and lower one pair hands should feel pretty uncomfortable facing more action, plus he has draws which I am ahead of and should protect my hand vs.. so I bet.

this is the problem. Why should they feel uncomfotable? the only hand that that turn sucks for is bottom2. if he's lead calling with a weak pair he's going to call turn. If he is folding to the blankest turn possible with and 88 type hand he would be lead/folding flop

to be clear this is an awesome line with a J+ turn

I don't play mega tight or really loose overall, 24/20/5.6 3bet. It is definitely the case that a lot of redline (and overall..) winnings come from 3bet pots.. maybe I should 3bet more on the button and take it from there..

Still not sure if I am understanding this situation (or, if I should barrel on different turn cards than a 9)

Maybe I'm just not understanding the donk-call range of people on this flop (I personally don't have a donk-calling range here, so its very difficult for me to properly understand what other people are doing.)

donking ranges is basically any two, which is why raising the flop is ok if you don't know if he likes to donk/call any pair or not yet. after he calls the raise though it's pretty easy to put him on anypair or a flush draw. Now what does that turn do to our range that he puts us on? if he's donk/calling 2nd pair then he's not afraid of tp, so another 9 is literally the least scary turn card to him. add in that he has pretty much any 9 in his range and it makes it worse to barrel because if he has a 9 there's a good chance he's c/ring this turn/

it doesnt really matter if it narrows your range. i think we can safely assume a player taking a line like this is probably not very good and not thinking on that level.

the 9 is bad to barrel bcuz the hands that youre trying to make him fold, like midpair and such, have less of a reason to fold now bcuz the top card paired.

i wouldnt really barrel on any other cards either bcuz our equity is so bad.

and he clearly has 9x here. some ppl will donk top pair medium/weak kicker, and since he c/minraised you on the turn he prob has a nutted hand like 9x.

Ok I have a better understanding now, thank yous.