so fucking sick, this guy's been doing this to me deep all day, thats how he got so much money

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is 4b/calling with this hand good 600bb deep??????

against this guy, yes because he cant fold anything in huge pots postflop as you can see

1/4 chance of flopping a set too

i dont know PLO at all but this doesnt seem great bcuz if he always has AAxx here arent you just sticking in a ton of money with 33% equity preflop? why not flat his 3b instead?

because there's not much he can do to counter a 4bet as we are insanely deep
because he always has AA here is why I'm 4betting him
$20 preflop for 1/4 chance of flopping a set to win $124 more sounds pretty good to me

and I'm also planning to stick it in on any 2 spades
if he doesn't have spades, i'll be better than flipping

worst case scenario is that he covers my spades but i'm taking that chance vs this guy all day

Holy shit huge pot, hahahaha. Sucks, mang.

On May 04 2010 04:03 Spicy wrote: $20 preflop for 1/4 chance of flopping a set to win $124 more sounds pretty good to me

this isnt the way to think about it. youre supposed to consider your equity, which im guessing is 33% vs AAxx since thats what it is vs his specific hand and i dont know PLO equities.

trying to stick as much money in preflop with 33% equity cant be good. if he cant ever fold postflop why not just flat his 3bet so we have more implied odds instead of putting a bunch of money in behind? and then you can just pot pot pot or something if the flop improves you.

like if he cant fold postflop, it seems like youre completely giving up your postflop edge against him by putting in a lot of money while behind preflop.

because i'm never winning his whole stack with a set in a 3bet pot
5bet pot gives him just a good enough ratio to justify a call off with his AA after potting the flop

As far as playability, I pretty much have control over what flops I want to stack off on and it's very easy to get away from my hand if I miss

but the bigger the pot is postflop, the more correct he is in calling off the rest of his stack.

this is like saying we should 3bet and call 4bets with small pairs in NL bcuz its easier to stack AA when we hit.

On May 04 2010 04:10 Spicy wrote: As far as playability, I pretty much have control over what flops I want to stack off on and it's very easy to get away from my hand if I miss

yea but this isnt about spewing money postflop. youre spewing a lot of money preflop by knowingly putting in a LOT of money when behind. and also massively decreasing your implied odds.

That's the point, I want him to call off the rest of his stack
My hand is very disguised in a 5bet pot and he can't put me on a set when I choose to get it in

In a 3bet pot, I would pretty much have no implied odds because pot is way to small for him to put in any sort of money unless he has the NFD to go with overpair or he flops a set of As

The only real thing I guess I could have done differently was make it a min4bet but I wasn't sure if it would get the pot big enough

Essentially, in PLO preflop equities don't tell you the whole story

His hand has a VERY BAD reverse implied odds this deep once the pot gets to this exact ratio

hmmmm do you mind if i make a thread about this hand? im curious about what others have to say about it and i'd like to learn something about PLO.

go for it

thanks.

if you have a read that your opponent might have AA and you know he has the potential to go nuts, decreasing your implied odds is just horrific. Your assumptions that he can't go ape shit if it's not deep enough preflop is also really really bad. i know so little about omaha, but from what you've demonstrated in your thinking, you should be working on both your pre and post flop game. Go back and read what joLin has to offer bc there is a lot of help in what he has to say, especially about giving up an edge post flop.

"i know so little about omaha"
so did Jolin apparently
Read through the thread regarding this hand

For this hand, you can't make ANY comparisons between PLO and holdem
AA plays MUCH more differently depending on the amount that goes in preflop in PLO

Your implied odds argument is wrong because in a 3bet pot, I will be unable to win more than a PSB from him.
Jolin was arguing under the assumption that if I hit, I would be able to get 4PSB from him which is never unless I'm behind.
Essentially by 4betting, I'm increasing my implied odds because it's the only way I can get him to overplay his aces postflop once the pot grows to this large size such that once he decides to pot OOP, he's committed over 1/3 of his remaining stack and has to call a shove when way behind


I'll copy/paste some of the main points i made in the thread to clear this up

I am never getting more than a single PSB out of him in a 3bet pot when I'm a huge favorite, In fact if he decides to give me more action than that I'm probably in trouble.
Even fish don't play their AA that badly in PLO, unless they don't know the rules or something
A lot of them play AA more conservatively than the regs will if the pots are small and they miss
And that's why i'm building the pot preflop because its the only way I'll get him to overplay his aces


Calling the 3bet is good if his hand is this face up as aces because you can get him to fold if you've missed your hand (Which I think is a solid low variance play)
But the point that I've made about the 4bet was because this guy is a superfish and I wasn't happy with winning a small pot because I saw that being able to stack him with a hand like this was a more lucrative option