damn, this look bluffy but wtf.. im clueless again.. he does bluff.. should I bet/f riv?

looks like AQ for me
I bet 300 call a shove.
(I don't play this high , only 200)

edit: % fold to 3bet ?
does he call 76s and 56s IP deep ?

On May 18 2010 23:08 waga wrote: looks like AQ for me , 6 river is a really good card. I bet 300 call a shove. (I don't play this high , only 200)

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200 deep tell me why would he call AQ on the flop O_o .
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I think this is pretty fucked up man, you put him on QQ 76 88 44?

I edited river 6 actually sux as flop is really great for 76 56 , but we need to know his % fold to 3bet. (56s sux really hard)
I call flop AQ IP here if hero cbet too much.
QQ will probably 4bet , and 44 should fold.

Well we need stats to analyse corectly this hand ...

I don't think he'd overbet with AQ though. Has to be trips+ or air

this is so weird. I think this is a iffy board to try to bluff catch/play fancy on river. There are some missed draws but also a lot of marginal hands that might still call and hands that have SD value here. When you check river it's hard for anyone to put you on AQ+ let alone KK here, plus you probably never have a boat here. I'd call here after checking given the lines and board but I don't know villain.

I don't know if it's smart, but overbetting AQ here to make it look bluffy could be decent considering you are usually checking 99-JJ and sometimes marginal Qx's

AQ would never ever ever ever overbet here unless they've got some sick history where hero has caught villain overbetting river before in some similar spot. I also didn't read the posts before mine and I agree it's unlikely anyone would float flop with AQ. It's not out of the question though since both are deep. We can't rule out QQ because I don't think anyone 4bets QQ this deep.

I don't know why you wouldn't bet the river though unless he's ultra nitty.

looks like 6x/bluff

I think I'd call

hu ?
I sweat a lot a friend who play nl 400 to 2000:
-they 4bet QQ like allways
-they can overbet AQ here for value
-nl 400+ players are huge donkeys :D

well that COULD be queens, but meh, cooler, lol

On May 18 2010 23:45 waga wrote: hu ? I sweat a lot a friend who play nl 400 to 2000: -they 4bet QQ like allways -they can overbet AQ here for value -nl 400+ players are huge donkeys :D

this deep though? I realize it's sb vs button I guess that makes a difference.

bet more flop
bet more turn
shove river
i dont get why it should be played another way than that?

well its mostly river that I fucked up, and ok I'll bet more

thanks for the help alrdy

so shove river is better than check calling to pick up bluff?

pick up a bluff from what?

a made hand that called twice and now feels it's not good enough to chk behind with showdown value or a hand that double floated?

seems like bet/bet/shove is in order here

On May 19 2010 00:05 Oddeye wrote: so shove river is better than check calling to pick up bluff?

to pick up a bluff you have to call the river
amirite?

mostly PPs who think they are beat now and want to make sure I fold... but yeah its pretty weird. next time I'll setup for a shove I guess

Lol checking to pick up bluffs from hands with showdown value is just retarded. Just bet bet shove

On May 19 2010 00:05 Oddeye wrote: so shove river is better than check calling to pick up bluff?

hm yeah?
and the river doesnt change shit? why should he have a six here..if he does , well, good for him

ya well i didn't really think of doing that, just tought of check folding...