i wouldn't fold river

you're only beat by KJ/KT

On May 23 2010 12:26 TimDawg wrote: i wouldn't fold river you're only beat by KJ/KT

or AQ or Q9

On May 23 2010 12:34 MayZerG wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2010 12:26 TimDawg wrote: i wouldn't fold river you're only beat by KJ/KT or AQ or Q9

they should both be folding turn and AQdd raises flop

disagree, youre beat by a lot more than that, but its very close with the missed draws.
i lean towards a fold but a call would be correct if he has enough missed draws. i think it requires probably 20 combos of draw to be correct which is not impossible but seems a bit high as there are only so many flush draws and hes only calling 89 a small % of the time on the turn

AM i the only one who would still valuebet river here on Nl25 ?

probably, anyway has more to do with your opponent than with the stakes you happen to be playing imo

what do you think he calls you on the river with btw? also your chopping with weaker Jx hands (valuebet would still be pretty random even if that wasnt the case)

On May 23 2010 12:52 PplusAD wrote: AM i the only one who would still valuebet river here on Nl25 ?

vbetting river is terrible unless your opponent is insanely bad.

if your first thought is to value bet here i think thats indicative of a huge leak in your game that you should reevaluate.

On May 23 2010 12:56 joLin wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2010 12:52 PplusAD wrote: AM i the only one who would still valuebet river here on Nl25 ? vbetting river is terrible unless your opponent is insanely bad. if your first thought is to value bet here i think thats indicative of a huge leak in your game that you should reevaluate.

well i dont play cashgame anymore
I only play HU
maybe thats why i thought of a bet here

On May 23 2010 12:38 Daut wrote: disagree, youre beat by a lot more than that, but its very close with the missed draws. i lean towards a fold but a call would be correct if he has enough missed draws. i think it requires probably 20 combos of draw to be correct which is not impossible but seems a bit high as there are only so many flush draws and hes only calling 89 a small % of the time on the turn

what else are we beat by?

i suppose 6x or maybe Kxdd could play like this but it still seems like there are far more missed draws in his range than value hands

On May 23 2010 13:10 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2010 12:56 joLin wrote:   On May 23 2010 12:52 PplusAD wrote: AM i the only one who would still valuebet river here on Nl25 ? vbetting river is terrible unless your opponent is insanely bad. if your first thought is to value bet here i think thats indicative of a huge leak in your game that you should reevaluate. well i dont play cashgame anymore I only play HU maybe thats why i thought of a bet here

i dont play HU but i'd imagine this is still too thin in hu.

you chop with every Jx that you were beating and only get value from Tx or something?

thx for discussion so far

someone stove a bunch of draws on this river please

ppl play passive at nl 25/50 this can easily be KQ as well

solid fold move on

seriously for every time u click call and see a wiffed draw you will prob get owned like 15 times

a few suited q9, kq, kj, kt, 6x, kxdd, maybe occasional combos of aa and kk or sets that decided to flat flop then slowplay when they boated. prob on the order of ~45 combos. so need about 20 combos of bluffs

vs a few combos of 89, 7 combos of Axdd, a few Qxdd, and a few suited connectors/gappers. id say its really close to break even

thanks again

sounds like a fold daut.. close to break even at best.. ya