villain looks very taggish over 200 hands, I have no notes on him so I doubt I've ever gotten past the flop vs him

his stats are like 19/17/5% 3bet

is there a better way to play this? why?

Start by calling. River is eminently foldable depending on player/dynamic etc.

i like the lead a lot but the turn c/r is pretty terrible

just continue betting

once you lead the flop I think you should continue leading the turn, there are a lot of hands that would call a bet that he's going to check back.

wat

do you think he's calling with worse or folding a better hand or that he's bluffing when he bets on the turn with this board????

oh lord ignore my last post I completely misread the action. This c/r is very bad this deep. You overrep your hand and make it extremely hard to play profitably. Just carry on betting on the turn, like I assumed you had.

hm idk

I figured he could bluff a lot of clubs and then possibly make a mistake vs my raise esp since we are deep and some people play (as) bad (as me, I hope)

Same thing with a any tens he might hold, that doesn't include two tens


I kind of expected made monsters to raise the flop (bigger sets, flushes), esp since we are deep


can anyone lemme know why my thoughts here aren't correct?

Well, when you make this c/r what is it you want to happen? If he jams you are not happy and you are equally unamused on the river if he calls, where you force yourself to make a massive HOTW play via a mega thin value shove or a check/hero call. If you would c/f the river then you could have got this much money in by just betting the 3 streets, seeing his hand and getting max value from it.

imo it's quite optimistic to think that he's betting a weak hand on this turn when you lead out on the flop. What do you think he thinks you have that would make him bet with a weaker hand and think he's good?

also it's quite optimistic to think that villain would do anything but shut down when you raise this turn when he has a weaker hand than yours. if you really think he has a weaker hand, why not call and let him bet the river too?

tbh i don't think you need to level so hard at these stakes.

id say your thought process should be more like how ur doing vs your opponents range. If you think ur ahead, think about what worse hands will call and then go for value. If you think ur behind, consider bluffing and think about what better hands would fold, otherwise fold yourself or call if you have odds to.

Makes sense

On May 31 2010 16:53 TimDawg wrote: i like the lead a lot but the turn c/r is pretty terrible just continue betting

Agree with this. Lead is really good since flop might check through which looses you a ton of value. Also hard for anyone to call when you raise if villain bet. On the other hand your relative position is really good so checkraising is decent. Definitly bet turn, since the guy will often check behind here. All his strong hands raise the flop, so he is more likely to check behind.

imo it's not uncommon as well for people to slow play the flop then make their move on the turn, especially if they have the nuts AND they have position on you.

anyway to apply the process I described in this hand, I'd think it'd be like: action's to you on the turn and you think about whether you are still ahead of your opponent's range. If you think so, have a think about what worse hands would call then go for a value bet. If he calls, you do the same on the river and think about whether you can go for say, thin value based on how much of vil's range you still beat given the action so far.

If you valuebet on this turn and get raised, you can think about vils range then and hopefully decide that bluffing is prolly not going to work (no better hands folding) and then you can think about whether you have implied odds to call or whether there is enough in vil's range that's weaker than your hand to call and evaluate the river.