Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #3827113341: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/02/01 - 12:10:51 (ET)
Table 'T #39597774' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: glittergulch ($66.40 in chips)
Seat 2: mawyse ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 3: The Swede-T ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 4: MrFadedGlory ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 5: vendet1 ($62.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero77 ($52.30 in chips)
Seat 7: (SSD) ($16.35 in chips)
Seat 8: antti1972 ($27.60 in chips)
Seat 9: grabberjeff ($72.85 in chips)
grabberjeff: posts small blind $0.25
glittergulch: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero77
mawyse: calls $0.50
The Swede-T: folds
MrFadedGlory: folds
vendet1: raises $1 to $1.50
Hero77: calls $1.50
(SSD): folds
antti1972: folds
grabberjeff: calls $1.25
glittergulch: folds
mawyse: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $6.5)

   
grabberjeff: checks
mawyse: checks
vendet1: checks
Hero77: bets $4
grabberjeff: folds
mawyse: calls $4
vendet1: raises $8 to $12
Hero77: calls $8
mawyse: calls $8

Turn (Pot : $42.5)

   
mawyse: checks
vendet1: bets $48.75 and is all-in
Hero77 said, "hmmmmmmm"
Hero77 said, "tough decision"
Hero77 said, "i cant believe im going to fold this"
Hero77: folds
mawyse: calls $6.95 and is all-in

River (Pot : $140)

   

Showdown
mawyse: shows (high card Ace)
vendet1: shows (two pair, Aces and Queens)
vendet1 collected $53.70 from pot
mawyse leaves the table
Hero77 said, "AQ as well"

Summary
Total pot $56.40 | Rake $2.70
Board  
Seat 1: glittergulch (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mawyse showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: The Swede-T folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MrFadedGlory folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vendet1 showed and won ($53.70) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 6: Hero77 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: (SSD) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: antti1972 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: grabberjeff (small blind) folded on the Flop

i was 100% sure not AK
figured AA QQ or AQ as well
by math i should have called, but he didnt do anything out of line all day, i didnt think it was worth it to call for a split when i thought he had me beat

bah whyd i even call the flop bet if i was going to fold the turn
i dont know, weird situation i didnt know what to do

mawyse's river call was art though.

This is a mistake I used to make a lot: calling a flop raise with no intention of calling anything else. If you get check/raised on this flop by the preflop raiser you're dead almost all of the time. Notice also that his raise is small, it's begging for two calls. I instantly let this go against this player on the flop. Some people are insane and will check/raise JJ/KK/AK here, but clearly this guy isn't that type.

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On February 01 2006 09:21 Muhweli wrote: mawyse's river call was art though.

turn call

he had almost nothing left

Ohhhh, I somehow read that to be river action. Whoopaaa. Yea, then it's not so bad. I thought he called on the river with ten high ;D

The pot calculator fucked up on this hand for whatever reason?

Hmnm my guess is that it calculates the mawyse's call as full $50 call (which it ain't)

Only catyoul couldve perpetrated such evil .

*cough*
It's a (small) pain to take care of the uncalled allins, and it doesn't change decisions anyway

I made a thread out out of it just cause i'd like to hear some more opinions. i think i should have folded to the flop raise. it just seems so weak tight though, i flop top 2 and im scared of exactly 2 hand combinations.



OH SHIT. i should have considered AhKh. he would definitely play that like AA or QQ. mmmmmmmm, fuck. i still dont know. im just kind of lost in this hand

BigBalls your Hero77? I thought that was FroZ...

it's his account im just playing on it

what are your guys thoughts on calling a 4x raise from ep/mp with AQo?

you can't really hit much better than that flop with AQ

i folded my last 2 AQo to flop raises
i wanted to ask exact same thing
should really be player dependant i guess

Full ring I fold AQo to ep raises. Except for when I know the raiser to be especially loose.

why did you call AQ pf if u didnt want to be in a big pot if u hit a monster

Seriously, i'm NEVER folding to the turn push. Fold preflop if you don't play well postflop

how is folding to a probable at best split not playing well postflop
im not folding AQ to a 3 bb raise when i have position on the guy
if i make a reevaluation later in the hand that says im beat im going to fold, thats called playing WELL postflop

edit: of course that's saying i did play well postflop and folded the flop like i should have

Its 50NL, im folding Top 2 there pretty much never. I also wish people didn't post reuslts in the hand histories - im pretty sure the discussion would be so much better if we don't know the opponents holecards.

I use to re-raise PF with AQ, obviosly depending on who raised before me, but this is fullring and it may be stupid even at SH.
However, what about a re-raise at the flop to get a feeling where youre at? I dont know how I would act then to a call/allin since that, again, very much depends on who I'm playing.
Time to sleep

I haven't played full ring in so long but I remember when I did, I would rarely ever call a raise in that spot with AQo especially if I respected the pf raiser's opening standards. In most cases if you hit the flop you'll only get one bet out of him if you're ahead (like A high flop vs KK-JJ or Q high flop vs JJ/AK) but there are so many ways you can hit the flop and lose to a better hand (Q high flop vs QQ-AA or A high flop vs AK etc.) However, I think there is more merit to a call if your AQ is suited tho as you can flop a pair and a flush draw and have many more outs even if you manage to flop a 2nd best hand on the flop.

That being said, if I hit top two on that kind of flop, I am almost always going to play for my stack barring abnormal circumstances. In this case the abnomal circumstance was that the pf raiser chose to check raise instead of betting out to "protect a strong, but vulnerable" hand against a large field. Since you caught this, I think a laydown is very reasonable as you said, the most likely hands are AA/QQ/AQ. As a sidenote, the pf raiser's slowplay was a bad play as it alerts observant players to the strength of his hand. Had he just played it normally, by betting out on the flop, you would have had to raise him to protect your hand from the flush draw (in addition to gamblers that see two calls and decide to try and go for their gutshot) and he could have reraised allin and forced you to call. (If he had QQ or AA instead of AQ that is, in this case he managed to make you lay down a split instead of a losing two pair)

I think that was a great fold. I wouldnt have the discipline to make it personally cause too many donks play like retards. But vs a good/tight player i think thats a great place to lay down.

A good player might check/raise AK on the flop (although it'd be weird), but hes def not going all-in with AK on teh turn after u called.

I definitely DONT think u can lay down to the raise on the flop. The only reason you can lay down the turn is that he pushed so hard and you werent very committed. That information wasnt available on the flop so your call is correct imo.

You cant let yourself be pushed off a hand that strong so easily just because he represents something huge unless you're totally sure you're behind. and at 50NL online its pretty hard to be sure you're behind there.

either reraise flop (if he calls he is pretty much all in)
or call his flop raise, if no hearts, push turn or call his push.

i prolly would of folded, too

i just dont get why you are calling aq preflop if you arent going to move in on this

theres more to a hand than just what you hold and what shows on the flop =P

if your opponent is solid and aggressive, it's push/fold flop. calling flop doesnt make sense here, i mean, are you hoping to improve on the turn? are you calling to see where you're at? if you think you can at BEST split, you should fold. if you think you can at WORST split, then you should push. a TAG opponent will just make an uncallable bet on the turn when he is OOP of you.

bigballs, are you a hero77?

On February 02 2006 15:35 pdk001 wrote: bigballs, are you a hero77?

froz's acc is hero77, bigballs is playing on it