targetting player1 with the raise, original raiser is pretty weak. Still the 3bet should have been bigger to iso the fish, it was towards the end of my session.

Dunno what am I doing on the flop, I guess I wanted to see what both guys do before acting, and then said fuck it he can have anything and his stack is just 60bb.

This seems bad and my thought process is well messy here lol - I am pretty tired.

this is prob. why you lose money.

so you fold on flop? Like, C/F? I think its hard to bet fold to this guy due to his stack size.

no, you dont iso fish with A2.

B/F is okay vs the fish I was targeting in the first place as he has some 16bb extra, but not this guy imo.

you don't iso fish with A2s ip? what?

esp. when the original raiser has exploitable raise sizing and raised smaller than usual pf? (=weak hand, and we can assume he folds most of the time)

I know that I should have seen the fish behind me and played a 4way pot OTB with A2s... But if he wasn't there you seriously don't isolate this hand?

And 'you don't iso fish with A2s'...like is that a general statement applicable most of the time? wtf?

dont make false plays based on reasons that arent logical.
You're hardly going to flop something good with A2 that you can stack off against fish and be ahead. But the hand itself might play very well on certain flops in multiway pot, so please dont turn it into a bluff.

also you are small blind, more reasons not to iso someone, who doesnt fold, light.
hands like KQ AJ etc that flop well and play well overall against fishes range and you can stackoff on many flops are much better.

you're not ip youre oop to everyone, why are you isoing with this hand, it sucks hu, way better multiway, and why are you min-squeezing pre, your line is something i expect the fish youre trying to isolate to do.

Thats why I mean you shouldnt be 3betting a lot of Ax
Easy to think that you wont allways stack of when A hits, but when you there and the A hits, its not that easy to lay it down

you can definitely lay it down because most people do it as a bluff

umm.. why not just flat in position with a great drawing hand. that way the fish is going to be in the pot like ever time as well. and A2 dominates a ton of good drawing hands.

A2s is the type of hand that plays much better with deeper stacks behind. i dunno why you'd want to remove that aspect of the hand by 3 betting here.

you need to reeval your approach to poker i thinks.

On October 11 2010 18:44 LemOn[5thF] wrote: I know that I should have seen the fish behind me and played a 4way pot OTB with A2s... But if he wasn't there you seriously don't isolate this hand? And 'you don't iso fish with A2s'...like is that a general statement applicable most of the time? wtf?

i think you might have something here

On October 11 2010 18:55 YoMeR wrote: umm.. why not just flat in position with a great drawing hand. that way the fish is going to be in the pot like ever time as well. and A2 dominates a ton of good drawing hands. A2s is the type of hand that plays much better with deeper stacks behind. i dunno why you'd want to remove that aspect of the hand by 3 betting here. you need to reeval your approach to poker i thinks.

cmon yomer, let the kid himself figure this out

Well ok I see that I am oop and that I shouldn't be playing at this hour, apologies guys ( I did actually believe I am IP in the hand, and didn't see the fish behind me lol). I need to cut my sessions 5 mins earlier -.-

The reason why I do want to isolate a fish IP with A2s is not being able to get 3 streets of value, but because 70VP passive fish at NL50 generally play fit or fold on the flop, and by raising I just create a bunch of dead money with the bonus of good equity with hands that he can call- is that wrong thinking?

I appreciate the input guys

lol. call pre wow.

On October 11 2010 19:02 djforever wrote: lol. call pre wow.

I love you man

Would not squeeze even IP. Nobody including regs like folding in 3bet pots and A2s isn't going to flop too well (not to mention easiest way to get dominated).

Thank you guys that makes a lot of sense. The dead money stuff is by far outweighed by playing 3-4way IP with position on fish with awesome drawing hand I suck.