This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here?

not sure if serious

so legit !

On October 17 2010 05:54 Babs wrote: not sure if serious

Im srs, u srs?

On October 17 2010 05:50 TheHuHu3 wrote: This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here?

Hero is getting nearly 4-1

Multiple monkey villains in pot

Hero has KK

sounds like a call.

fold turn imo

On October 17 2010 06:11 Feiticeira wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2010 05:50 TheHuHu3 wrote: This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here? Hero is getting nearly 4-1 Multiple monkey villains in pot Hero has KK sounds like a call.

Pick a hole. He either called because he has KK or he called because of pot odds (lame argument).

Either way, by calling here you're just hoping and crossing your toes that the nine other people who shoved doesn't have AA.

On October 17 2010 06:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2010 06:11 Feiticeira wrote:   On October 17 2010 05:50 TheHuHu3 wrote: This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here? Hero is getting nearly 4-1 Multiple monkey villains in pot Hero has KK sounds like a call. Pick a hole. He either called because he has KK or he called because of pot odds (lame argument). Either way, by calling here you're just hoping and crossing your toes that the nine other people who shoved doesn't have AA.

LOL WAT

KK crushes albi's range. Jamba can never have AA. TKT isn't even full stacked. Seems like an easy ship to me.

TKT is a full stack, dude. $980. Splitting hairs here.

no autoreload = fish. hero has epic table selection skills

we have direct odds vs AA but thats a lame argument?

so TKT is the only one who could have AA?

so whats the problem?

On October 17 2010 06:38 joLin wrote: we have direct odds vs AA but thats a lame argument?

Using direct odds vs AA is a bad argument because you can just transpose KK with any other pocket pair. That's why saying he has "odds" to call is bad because then having KK here is irrelevant.

On October 17 2010 06:34 TheHuHu3 wrote: TKT is a full stack, dude. $980. Splitting hairs here.

The important factor isn't the actual stack size but that he doesn't have autoreload. That's just a quick assumption I make that he's likely to be a weaker player, but just random confirmation is that PTR also says the guy has played like 1k hands ever on Stars.

I'm sure Babs knows the guy is weaker in any case.

On October 17 2010 06:22 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2010 06:11 Feiticeira wrote:   On October 17 2010 05:50 TheHuHu3 wrote: This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here? Hero is getting nearly 4-1 Multiple monkey villains in pot Hero has KK sounds like a call. Pick a hole. He either called because he has KK or he called because of pot odds (lame argument).

Using direct odds vs AA is a bad argument because you can just transpose KK with any other pocket pair. That's why saying he has "odds" to call is bad because then having KK here is irrelevant.

you have to be joking

Hero calls because he has KK, only AA is ahead of him but he has near direct pot odds against even that.

your posts are consistently failtastic, but this is especially moronic.

On October 17 2010 06:49 Feiticeira wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2010 06:22 TheHuHu3 wrote:   On October 17 2010 06:11 Feiticeira wrote:   On October 17 2010 05:50 TheHuHu3 wrote: This is pretty bad, how is your KK ever good here? Hero is getting nearly 4-1 Multiple monkey villains in pot Hero has KK sounds like a call. Pick a hole. He either called because he has KK or he called because of pot odds (lame argument).   Using direct odds vs AA is a bad argument because you can just transpose KK with any other pocket pair. That's why saying he has "odds" to call is bad because then having KK here is irrelevant. you have to be joking Hero calls because he has KK, only AA is ahead of him but he has near direct pot odds against even that. your posts are consisently failtastic, but this is especially moronic.

Wow dude, do you realize what you're saying? Why would you ever fold KK PF EVER as long as you have odds, right? Stop using that lame ass argument.

I don't ever read your posts and don't even know who you are but you sound like a retard.

wait so you fold hands when you have direct odds?

huhu you don't know the table dynamic or any of the villains and you throw a strong argument like this?

I've often seen these people, these squares at the table, short stack and long odds against them. All their outs gone. One last card in the deck that can help them. I used to wonder how they could let themselves get into such bad shape, and how the hell they thought they could turn it around.

HuHu, having KK and getting pot odds arent separate arguments. If one of your opponents have AA then we're making a very slightly -ev call (because of pot odds), if none of them have AA we're making a huge misstake folding(because we have KK so we'd be ahead) so it doesnt have to happen very often that none of them have AA for our call to be +ev.

HuHu you agree that its a clear 4bet right?
Because at that point we're ahead of TKT's value range, before we even include his bluff frequency.

After we 4bet we're never folding because
1) pot odds are insane
2) nobody but TKT is gonna show up with AA
3) given the likely weakness of the albi's and jamba's ranges, TKT is probably gonna stick it in with all the value hands with which he 3bet you in the first place, and we're still ahead of that range (QQ+ and AK). <- that range is ok with getting it in vs albi and jamba, and was never planning to fold vs you, so hes still gonna go with it.