Meh I shouldn't check here

He check calls when his draws hit but prolly will call >50% worse to $3 or sth

you shouldnt call pre
if want to play that hand play it with the betting lead
so raise or fold pre
river i duno
i think i check because fuck it ;o

Why not call pre?

I will play IP against 90VPIP 200bb deep fish and all other players at the table are brain dead -.-

usually there are roughly two types of awesome opponents:
1) the ones that will take anytwo cards to the flop before fit-or-folding
2) the ones that don't like folding at all

vs. 1 I'd like to improve the pot size a little before we make him fold on the flop
vs. 2 the J3s just isn't going to work too well for us @ the unavoidable showdown

Let me demonstrate:
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I limped suited junk some 6 times behind the fish IP and not once I got raised. I don't want to pump the pot up without value hands or at least double gappers, he calls close to 100% hands.

And clearly limping >folding with these geniuses.

And bore he is somewhere in the middle and folds like 50% flops. (roughly total air with almost 100VPIP 2% raise +then some?

Pretty simple check. You won't get called by worse by the way P4 played the hand.

On November 24 2010 16:15 TheHuHu3 wrote: Pretty simple check. You won't get called by worse by the way P4 played the hand.

I am 100% confident I will. The only question is if it will be >50%
He runs with almost 100 VPIP
He had A2o in the hand.

He also never bluff raises, betting like $1 will be always better than checking(which I did, eww)

Oh and FE does not increase signifficantly when I overbet against him, he seems to call more based on dollar value and ignores bet/pot ratio.

Saying he won't call with worse without asking for this info really pisses me off.

uh easy valuebet no matter who ur playing once the hand plays out like this idk why you posted this hand tho?

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On November 24 2010 16:38 Night2o1 wrote: uh easy valuebet no matter who ur playing once the hand plays out like this idk why you posted this hand tho?

No matter who I am playing?
I overbet the turn 2x pot and all draws got there
(you can't even call that a backdoor draw since flop got checked through)

Huhuh even says we will NEVER get called by worse and I checked and it seemed like a mistake after the hand.

yeah river is a bet vs that opponent
sorry
preflop is still a raise
like boreHM said..
usually there are roughly two types of awesome opponents:
1) the ones that will take anytwo cards to the flop before fit-or-folding
2) the ones that don't like folding at all

You must understahdn that vilain is playing 96 VPIP
is range is HUGE(lol)
Aka hes gona fold flop like ...everytime
;oP
so you can abuse him
iso cbet and take the pot
he may not fold but now you will know it thats all

I saw a couple more showdowns, he actually calls some 60% on flop, including like undercards with backdoor 6hi flushdraw and straight draw -.-

Thats what I am trying to say, the fucker doesn't fold every time, but doesn't call every time either (how can he with 100vpip)

luckily there are 2 more streets after the flop for you to get him off his wide range on in the right moments

not that you should 3 barrel him every hand or nething hehe

I like abusing him with Raising Q8o+ and vbetting the shit out of him -.-

On November 24 2010 16:57 Night2o1 wrote: luckily there are 2 more streets after the flop for you to get him off his wide range on in the right moments not that you should 3 barrel him every hand or nething hehe

Why should I barrel him at all?
Bluffing is not how you make money from this type of opponent, I expect to get value out of his bottom pair when I 2x overbet turn for gods sake.

Like I get that if there were two hungry lion regulars fighting for the gazelle that this fish is to them, but nobody gives a fuck at this table and I don't have to take the marginally +ev spots and risk losing stack that has him covered.

I was playing a lot more marginally when he was at 220bb and I was at 100bb to get to his stack size, but once I match it there is no reason not to just valuebet the shit out of him and hardly bluff him beyond cbet

I like limping why would we build the pot with such a crappy hand vs a station that doesnt fold ever (and how can we fold anything pf)

do your thing lemon