I 3bet like 4 times in last 9 hands and ran like 44/38 25%++ 3bet stomping over the table over like 50 hands.

With that image I think it is safe to assume I will always stack off the value part of his flop raising range no matter what.

I doubt I am perceived as a regular, and I think he will give up with his air most of the time anyway => I try to make bluffy inducing 'tester' bet to seem like FOS the most...Do you like? :D

I like checking turn, he should have just under pot left right? We can always jam river and a c/shove here is awesome. this is actually a pretty good card for him because that Q hits a ton of his bluff range on the flop. Betting turn lets him play pretty much perfectly and c/shoving lets him barrel with like AJ/AT/JT and even random crap that he has to call a shove with.

It's not like the Q helps our range at all, who the fuck 3bets then lead/calls with AQ hands and he shouldn't expect us to be folding KQ ever with your image.

Oh you actually expect people to keep bluffing when I bet call a Khi flop?

And I attempt to look like a person that would do that Venrae, I rep fishy played 8X TT JJ+random shit, I think I will seem like a donk with there being 0 non-fishy LAGs at NL50, because I don't expect a TAG to ever continue bluffing with air here, I can't see a Q to ever fold to this bet and he will have like 22 into 50 left on the river and a tough spot

But if we do expect him to keep firing then its all BS obviously, if not trying to look like a retard should be better than the 0 ev I expect to get from his bluffs ;o

What is your perceived range when you cbet call? You have an aggro image so I'd assume our perceived range for shoving this flop is sets/AA/AK/maybe KQ so when we call we pretty much always have some marginal hand in villains eyes. Add that with this card probably helping his range I think he should be continuing here quite a bit, and when he doesn't he hit that Q a lot and might call the rest off on a river shove (which looks suuuuuuuuper fishy btw)

leading is definitely not bad with your image, I just prefer a c/shove

Oh. I don't know, I don't have a flop shoving range at all without aggro history with good reg that knows I am a good reg and we go into leveling wars.
Do I wrongly assume that its standard to call your entire range to the flop raise here and average TAG villains will think the same?

I think that fish mostly flat their nut type hands here too a decent amount no?


And I see it from my perspective... If someone 3bet so much I raise flop to fold out his air and stack his value range with a polarised range...Is it a leak that I'd always give up on this turn?

Your thought process doesn't make sense to me. He's willing to raise flop as a bluff so you call assuming he's going to shut down on the turn? If you're only trying to get value from this hand why not exploit your image and shove flop? If he's raising flop with anything you expect to get his stack with he's not raise/folding.

If I'm bet/calling this flop it is with the intention of c/shoving this turn because I expect him to continue with stupid shit sometimes, and when he doesn't I just shove river because fuck him if he has something he's calling if he doesn't he's not going to bluff now.

Well I stack his value hands anyway by calling or raising flop no?

When I call I keep weak hands in my range, its just a question of how I get most value from his range I think you are right that call check will be slightly better. Thanks for the input

And also it will be hard to know if I rep a play that a fish would make, or if I actually am the fish ;o

On December 27 2010 14:56 LemOn[5thF] wrote: When I call I keep weak hands in my range

which is why I expect him to continue with some bluffs on the turn and why I like a c/shove.