5b would show my hands strength so much since we both so deep

i put vallain AK , so he could still bet the turn

seems raise the turn , or check river to induce v-bet would be fine?

I like your line, he probably has kk or qq, maybe worse he's checking this river behind almost always and your line could be concieved as a possible missed draw or some other bluff

edit: but the trapping with aces here is pretty questionable i think

the fact that he bet the turn means hes likley bluffing given hand combintronix (you have 50% of the aces in the deck in your hand and theres an A on the turn, the likleyhood he has it in his hand AND it comes on the turn is close to 500:1 since he would be hitting the case ace while having the super ulnikley Ax), if you checked the river your line would be perfect this poen shove really ruined something nice which you were setting up

oh you guys are deep
calling the 4b is fine, thats a pretty nice flop to c/r though so i think you should prob do that.

On January 08 2011 23:59 TalentedTom wrote: the fact that he bet the turn means hes likley bluffing given hand combintronix (you have 50% of the aces in the deck in your hand and theres an A on the turn, the likleyhood he has it in his hand AND it comes on the turn is close to 500:1 since he would be hitting the case ace while having the super ulnikley Ax), if you checked the river your line would be perfect this poen shove really ruined something nice which you were setting up

lol guess I'm off... but I mean doesn't the fact that he 3bet pf and the fact that are few ace combos mean that he likely has pp with showdown value that he is checking behind?

c/r the flop he would put into setmine and hit ,or slow play my aces, even he called he would try to showdown but no more action in later streets imo

if i c/r the flop , i could just 5b pfr fish would still ship it with KK or QQ even AK , but villain was not that bad here

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if river check / check would be so terrible..

I personally like check/min raising turn, and hope that he gets high pair syndrome and calls with KK/QQ that he most likely has. If he does, he will feel committed to call off his last 6 or 7 dollars on the river most likely. If he has JJ, then we woulda stacked him on the turn anyway

However, after looking back at it and thinking about Nl10 4bets, I woulda shipped this on the flop as I can 95% put him on KK. Minimum AK or QQ, so I woulda shipped preflop, or at least flop

On January 09 2011 00:06 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2011 23:59 TalentedTom wrote: the fact that he bet the turn means hes likley bluffing given hand combintronix (you have 50% of the aces in the deck in your hand and theres an A on the turn, the likleyhood he has it in his hand AND it comes on the turn is close to 500:1 since he would be hitting the case ace while having the super ulnikley Ax), if you checked the river your line would be perfect this poen shove really ruined something nice which you were setting up lol guess I'm off... but I mean doesn't the fact that he 3bet pf and the fact that are few ace combos mean that he likely has pp with showdown value that he is checking behind?

he doesnt bet the turn with them

On January 09 2011 03:12 Siro wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2011 00:06 soberstone wrote:   On January 08 2011 23:59 TalentedTom wrote: the fact that he bet the turn means hes likley bluffing given hand combintronix (you have 50% of the aces in the deck in your hand and theres an A on the turn, the likleyhood he has it in his hand AND it comes on the turn is close to 500:1 since he would be hitting the case ace while having the super ulnikley Ax), if you checked the river your line would be perfect this poen shove really ruined something nice which you were setting up lol guess I'm off... but I mean doesn't the fact that he 3bet pf and the fact that are few ace combos mean that he likely has pp with showdown value that he is checking behind? he doesnt bet the turn with them

You don't bet KJ and overpairs here?