5/12/10 NL25 6M *PRE* call AJo IP *3B* -4b KK 6..5-2.75 -3b sb v bu, cbet QXXr, check Kx, c/f rvr *POST* -call 88 on KJK IP -call AJon AXX, check behind turn -bet strong AT tXX 3way on K turn

Yeah. It's a fold on turn. And a cbet. I had him mixed up with someone in my mind I think, this guy is a one street bluff pot overpair on drawy board type guy, not always bet lure into pot type guy

3betting with KJo oop and proceeding to pour money into pot. Do not like.

Think you wanna look at why you are 3betting in certain spots instead of just 3betting because you can.

On February 19 2011 11:40 Chewits wrote: 3betting with KJo oop and proceeding to pour money into pot. Do not like. Think you wanna look at why you are 3betting in certain spots instead of just 3betting because you can.

Why would I look at why am I fist pump value squeezing?

I think squeeze is fine if u think that villain FT3B > 70%
but I def make it like $4 here , lets say if player 2 decide to call down and player 4 probably would call any sc or pp just bcuz the odds is so good
and also I think when u 3b one villain oop , standard size would be 12bb , so thats why I make 16bb OOP
IMO that still some expensive , but when u had like Q's+ , u really dont want to see 2 caller in 3b pot and preflop pot is $10 already , then u r OOP u would be fucked when the flop drawy or overcards hit , either u cant gain value or u lost whole stake
I also dont like 3b KJo OOP preflop against 60bb fish....
either u make it small or make it big doesnt change much , when u got called thats horrible , theres almost no folding equilty in these spots
just that pot ratio is hard to play IMO , when u hit u always 2bet get it in , when u missed fish would bet half pot to take it down
3b preflop w/o preminum hands vs fish is really really -EV

you got it wrong sunny ;o

I like the squeeze but you got to bet the flop and see what happens imo

On February 19 2011 11:58 sunnysky7 wrote: I think squeeze is fine if u think that villain FT3B > 70% but I def make it like $4 here , lets say if player 2 decide to call down and player 4 probably would call any sc or pp just bcuz the odds is so good and also I think when u 3b one villain oop , standard size would be 12bb , so thats why I make 16bb OOP IMO that still some expensive , but when u had like Q's+ , u really dont want to see 2 caller in 3b pot and preflop pot is $10 already , then u r OOP u would be fucked when the flop drawy or overcards hit , either u cant gain value or u lost whole stake opps, sorry my fault , if there big blind cold call , I would just give up the flop u can image what he cold call range consist of , but still i always make it $3 preflop u would be fucked by AK or KQ almost always here , sometimes AA KK I dont see any reason he bet w/o Kx on the flop and the turn

If I had QQ-AA I squeeze more. Enemy just sat down and is a multitabler (he will not note down my sq sizing I am pretty sure) and p4 is a retard, fuck balance.

P2 raises 50% buttons folds 70% 3b
P2 acts before P4 so P2 will not have th incentive to call when P4 calls.
P4 is a passive drooler that will fold <50%

my squeeze acts as a bluff 3b against P2 and a clear value raise against P4.

On February 19 2011 11:58 sunnysky7 wrote: I think squeeze is fine if u think that villain FT3B > 70% but I def make it like $4 here , lets say if player 2 decide to call down and player 4 probably would call any sc or pp just bcuz the odds is so good and also I think when u 3b one villain oop , standard size would be 12bb , so thats why I make 16bb OOP IMO that still some expensive , but when u had like Q's+ , u really dont want to see 2 caller in 3b pot and preflop pot is $10 already , then u r OOP u would be fucked when the flop drawy or overcards hit , either u cant gain value or u lost whole stake I also dont like 3b KJo OOP preflop against 60bb fish.... either u make it small or make it big doesnt change much , when u got called thats horrible , theres almost no folding equilty in these spots just that pot ratio is hard to play IMO , when u hit u always 2bet get it in , when u missed fish would bet half pot to take it down 3b preflop w/o preminum hands vs fish is really really -EV

KJ is a premium vs a fish

If I had QQ-AA I squeeze more. Enemy just sat down and is a multitabler (he will not note down my sq sizing I am pretty sure) and p4 is a retard, fuck balance.

P2 raises 50% buttons folds 70% 3b
P2 acts before P4 so P2 will not have th incentive to call when P4 calls.
P4 is a passive drooler that will fold <50%

my squeeze acts as a bluff 3b against P2 and a clear value raise against P4.[/QUOTE]

P2 was not at BTN , so thats why I dont want to squeeze that often
and also I dont like ur sizing anyway , if someone do this against me I would always call it down play post just bcuz why u squeeze 11bb into 2ppl ?
it doesnt make sense at all
if u had really good hands , u always make it big bet , bcuz u want to build the pot and cut down the effective stake to avoid fish setmine and committ more preflop
when u 3b 12bb+ , theres no edge to setmine small pp anymore , but if P2 called , then P4 got great odds to call , thats what I am talking about
and also when P2 called , he just called with his preminum range preflop , I would assuem that his range crush KJ so much , but u have to call it down here bcuz pot was 26bb already
thats why I dont like play marginal hands OOP 3b pot , bcuz u have no chance to do wiser decision than ur opponent , when u know he beat u still cant fold

P4 calls almost always, thats the whole point do you understand that I am squeezing for value against P4 and not as a bluff and ev of the 3b is not marginal at all?

And say you are P2, you open 50% buttons which will be like 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J5s+,T5s+,95s+,86s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o,87o...Are you serious that you will play back with a wide range here when there is a >70% chance that the fish will come along and you won't be able to bluff postflop? You can't 4b bluff small, because you will get rofl cold called by the drooler a decent amount...and even if you do call with more than 30% of your range...my KJ just became a premium hand against your range, esp if you 4b AQ+JJ+ for value

And I definitely do not have to call it down here vs P2 just because I hit TP and there is 26bb in the pot, I had reads on the enemy and this was a clear fold and I got him mixed up with somebody else (there is a reg with similar name, stats and number of hands that I played before that is aggro play back type). He is the type that cbets 80% and then barrels turn just 30% of the time, and he potted AA on a drawy board before.

I like it against the dude that knows I squeeze wide in this spot with whom I got spewy history and that always bets draws and is capable of pot bluffing and has trouble slowing down... This villain is ABC 1 street play type guy and I should just cbet check most turns maybe vb small rvr, but this bet is never a bluff or a draw from him

On February 19 2011 12:08 LemOn[5thF] wrote: If I had QQ-AA I squeeze more. Enemy just sat down and is a multitabler (he will not note down my sq sizing I am pretty sure) and p4 is a retard, fuck balance. P2 raises 50% buttons folds 70% 3b P2 acts before P4 so P2 will not have th incentive to call when P4 calls. P4 is a passive drooler that will fold <50% my squeeze acts as a bluff 3b against P2 and a clear value raise against P4.

Yeah 100% agree, but what I meant above when you continue to pour money into pot vs a player who is NOT the fish. Unfortunately the fish did not call and your hand is not strong vs this players range so x/r the flop or turn is just terrible. I think you gotta vbet the flop and see what happens. You might get folds alot. But I am probably folding to any aggression from him on flop/turn. Because that player will play his hand straight up.