24/19/2.. am i ever good here?

well considering there is only a 5% chance of runner runner flush, I'd say fuck stats and yes you are good some % of the time, however I have no idea how often...the better question is, if you're floating flop, why on earth are you not betting that turn?

im not entirely sure if i'd have odds to call a turn check raise and i figure my pair has some kind of showdown value..

I'd fold pre and I think river fold makes sense, he can't be value shoving anything worse and people don't usually have the balls to bluff like this. Maybe in a high stakes game this is a snapcall and feel good about it but at stakes like 50c/1 where everyone plays straight forward and pretty much never bluff in many different spots you can make a fold to his river 3bet. It's weird that he'd check anything that has spades in it on the turn though, I'd expect most people would barrel pretty much everything that has spades, perhaps not QsTs that could've been going for a turn ch/r or something like Ks5s that was gonna check call turn. There's not many combos of flushes and he'd prob bet turn with a lot of the combos like I said, so that does kinda argue for a call but at the same time, it's unlikely he'd bluff either so I dunno... Pick your reasoning really "It's hard for him to have it" - call or "he's never bluffing" - fold

On March 05 2011 23:09 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: I'd fold pre and I think river fold makes sense, he can't be value shoving anything worse and people don't usually have the balls to bluff like this. Maybe in a high stakes game this is a snapcall and feel good about it but at stakes like 50c/1 where everyone plays straight forward and pretty much never bluff in many different spots you can make a fold to his river 3bet. It's weird that he'd check anything that has spades in it on the turn though, I'd expect most people would barrel pretty much everything that has spades, perhaps not QsTs that could've been going for a turn ch/r or something like Ks5s that was gonna check call turn. There's not many combos of flushes and he'd prob bet turn with a lot of the combos like I said, so that does kinda argue for a call but at the same time, it's unlikely he'd bluff either so I dunno... Pick your reasoning really "It's hard for him to have it" - call or "he's never bluffing" - fold

@ the lowstakes its quite common for a lot of players to just barrel once and not barrel again even with gutshots and backdoor flushes. The playstyle is fairly inconsistent at this level. At least that's my experience at nl50/100.

ah like midian said in both hands these low suited connectors are really overated as postflop hands. Long suited cards is where its at! (if you wanna 3bet)

midian what do you think of my turn check and reasoning behind it?

On March 06 2011 00:22 Stroggos wrote: ah like midian said in both hands these low suited connectors are really overated as postflop hands. Long suited cards is where its at! (if you wanna 3bet)

Well we are 130bb deep and have position here. If we don't have a squeeze happy people in blinds and got decent idea how he plays it should still be a good call pre no?

I know that in the oop 3way spot I am leaking money by calling stuff like that but I always believed we can do stuff IP against regs and make it +ev with deepish stacks

Fold pre.
Call flop.
Bet turn 80% pot. He will fold 55-TT/Q9 and other hands which beats you/have equity vs your pair.
Bet any river to win vs Jx/weak king.

On March 06 2011 01:21 WaterFlow wrote: midian what do you think of my turn check and reasoning behind it?

Went to bed so didn't reply before now, anyway, you gotta think about how wide his preflop range is, what he's folding, what he's calling and what he's raising on the turn. The worst thing that could happen if you bet the turn is getting raised because you'll have to fold a decent amount of equity and potentially get bluffed once in a while by something like AsTs or AsQs. Betting allows you to fold him off things like 55-88, probably 98, A9 type hands and protect against things like AT or AQ that didn't barrel the turn, I think a turn bet is totally reasonable but against some tricky villains who may go for a check raise quite often here I'd prefer a check back, though it's really not a big deal if you have to fold your hand anyway, it's not especially great, so maybe I'd bet regardless, but I think a check is perfectly reasonable. I'm not comfortable in these spots myself though, I never call here anymore cause I was leaking calling these types of hands (Even without gaps, with cards this small I was still losing big calling) so I'm not experienced at playing these spots

On March 06 2011 03:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2011 00:22 Stroggos wrote: ah like midian said in both hands these low suited connectors are really overated as postflop hands. Long suited cards is where its at! (if you wanna 3bet) Well we are 130bb deep and have position here. If we don't have a squeeze happy people in blinds and got decent idea how he plays it should still be a good call pre no? I know that in the oop 3way spot I am leaking money by calling stuff like that but I always believed we can do stuff IP against regs and make it +ev with deepish stacks

Personally I was losing money calling these hands even IP, but certainly losing less than calling oop, prob can make it profitable with something like T9s at the lowest. I'm not positive about that though, you really need to use your HEM filters I guess, there are still some people who can call with crummy hands like this and show profit, but I have god knows how they do it, could be a sample size thing I guess. You guys are all suckers for sooted kekeke it doesn't make a giant difference really, particularly when your flush draw is so bad, it's really not that great flopping a small flush draw cause you have no overs or anything to go with it most of the time and usually cannot profit just flatting flops with crap flush draws since you miss so often and face turn barrel so often and then are forced to fold. Sure some tiny % of the time you can flop a combo draw but especially multiway you can get into sticky situations like in the 8h6h WaterFlop posted where he flops a combo draw but it's a shitty double gutshot and a shitty flush draw and someone already has a straight and bigger FD so he's totally fucked (Does he need runner runner split pot or something? I can't figure out how he can win)

Edit: Oh he could win with runner runner straight flush, 7h then 5h or Th. Good equity there I guess