Classic spot on turn (I didn't have JsJs FYI)
Small sample, no reads and only thing we know he is a tag that 3bet 2-4/20 in blinds and now 3bets us small.

What's your standard line here with hands worse than Kx when someone 1/2 pots it? (Please include river plan)

Do you make a big difference between JJ, AT weak T and other bluffcatchers like 8x 99 at micros where I think people don't value bet wide?

call turn and fold to river would be my standard(most river cards). I really hate folding rivers here but i do it any way. you could raise flop since you crush their 3bet range. could 4bet as well.

4b ? Raise Flop ? wake up you have JJ in a b vs b situation and he has 13% 3b ... As played he'd probably fire barrels on flop and turn w/ his whole range including TX, gutters, JQ, 99, 9J, unders there's no reasons not to, the king is a good card for him. Now call the turn and reeval on river, and ask yourself why you're in such position.

if I decided to play the flop like that.. probably call turn because of pot odds.. 99 and 8x Id fold, weak T I don't really know... don't have many.. also I never have AT 4bet that hand OOP more likely.. or have a reason to c/c the flop having AT...
on the turn he can bet a wide range there and you can not really have Kx which he might know.. any river and you being oop will put you in a tough spot again if you do not have reads on his timing/sizing.. he can manipulate the pot in whichever way he wants to

if I ever c/c flop its because I don't think he can ever have a 10/8 or lower pocket here.. or have a strong read to catch barrels and without that kind of reads your play is also fine I think

4bet pre,problem solved

On May 03 2011 04:02 Achoo wrote: 4b ? Raise Flop ? wake up you have JJ in a b vs b situation and he has 13% 3b ... As played he'd probably fire barrels on flop and turn w/ his whole range including TX, gutters, JQ, 99, 9J, unders there's no reasons not to, the king is a good card for him. Now call the turn and reeval on river, and ask yourself why you're in such position.

On May 03 2011 05:38 lebowski wrote: 4bet pre,problem solved

Thanks guys for reading my post ... I'll make sure next time I play with canasta deck I will 4bet :O

i call most of the time here, also might call some rivers depending on the villan..

4bet get it in on pf is one option

c/r flop is another one

as played prolly peel again and reeval river.

No shit ? You mean there's no two jacks of spades in the deck ? So you're not asking for the right play and just made a thread for the sake of it ?

On May 03 2011 07:42 Achoo wrote: No shit ? You mean there's no two jacks of spades in the deck ? So you're not asking for the right play and just made a thread for the sake of it ?

:/ I thought it's easy to get that I am asking about our hypothetical range in this spot and not 2 cards. Is taking 3s to read my 1st post too hard?

lol ok
but JJ and A10 are completely different scenarios.
Being in this spot with JJ is somewhat wrong imo.