he used all his timebank so I guess the overbet was good ...

you forgot to bet the turn

Is it that bad ?
Now I think more about the hand , it is probably
When I check this turn I want to show him weakness (a draw basically)
And I plan to overbet shove or raise any non heart Q or Ace river.

On May 12 2011 13:07 waga wrote: Is it that bad ? Now I think more about the hand , it is probably When I check this turn I want to show him weakness (a draw basically) And I plan to overbet shove or raise any non heart Q or Ace river.

looks like he had QQ or some sort of showdown value , no reason villain would double chk AK AA imo
I would like bet something like 1/2 or 2/5 pot if u want to show weakness or something

well if he call me 100% of the time when I bet 50% pot and 33% when I overbet
overbet > 50% pot
I really don't know what's the best line river >_<

bet turn all day here imo

A friend told me somthing like
"I don't know why you think you have more draw than a monster when you check turn"
And he's right
big mistake

A draw with what? Not like you're calling pre with all sorts of suited connectors (are you?). I think it's super hard to represent any kind of draw that does not have a pair here, furthermore, it's just way too FPS to try and represent specific holdings against people that aren't smart enough to read into your line anyways, and if that's what you were doing you did a kind of bad job anyway cause you're pretty much always going to have something like TT-QQ or some suited broadway when you cold call the 3bet pre there. Just bet the turn....

On May 12 2011 13:41 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: A draw with what? Not like you're calling pre with all sorts of suited connectors (are you?). I think it's super hard to represent any kind of draw that does not have a pair here, furthermore, it's just way too FPS to try and represent specific holdings against people that aren't smart enough to read into your line anyways, and if that's what you were doing you did a kind of bad job anyway cause you're pretty much always going to have something like TT-QQ or some suited broadway when you cold call the 3bet pre there. Just bet the turn....

checking turn is not ''bad''

its more than that
;oP

this is some preety bad fancy play syndrome

On May 12 2011 12:56 waga wrote: he used all his timebank so I guess the overbet was good ...

congrats, you made him fold AK

gr8 play

hate your postflop line after coldcalling the 3b pre. you rep jj/qq pretty fucking hard which is VERY bad with your river overbet

if villain really double check AK and fold the river would be a great play
i think i at least would bet the river with AK anyway , it looks more likely QQ imo
did not read that u cold call preflop oop , so yea he could easily put u on AQs QQ-TT

Bet turn because you would probably bet your draws too. Not to mention the board is pretty drawy and he could be c/shoving a lot.

On May 12 2011 15:40 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2011 12:56 waga wrote: he used all his timebank so I guess the overbet was good ... congrats, you made him fold AK gr8 play

lol
if he call 50% of the time an overbet and 100% a standard value bet
overbet > standard value bet
the difference beetween an overbet and a standard value bet is probably close

but the check turn was awful

On May 12 2011 16:21 TilICollapse wrote: Bet turn because you would probably bet your draws too. Not to mention the board is pretty drawy and he could be c/shoving a lot.

I definitely agree with that

On May 12 2011 16:50 waga wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2011 15:40 TalentedTom wrote:   On May 12 2011 12:56 waga wrote: he used all his timebank so I guess the overbet was good ... congrats, you made him fold AK gr8 play lol if he call 50% of the time an overbet and 100% a standard value bet overbet > standard value bet the difference beetween an overbet and a standard value bet is probably close but the check turn was awful

Not if your assumptions are wrong. He's not calling an overbet shove 50% of the time, more like 10% of the time (an instance of retardedness or whatever).

I feel like you try to justify your overbets way too much here (and getting a bit defensive). This is not a good spot, especially considering your range (as midian stated). There is not much you rep really more than the nuts or AK that try to get another AK to fold...