better to get value if i call? vs an opponent with 9% 3bet

Your hand's invulnerable as shit and can rep the widest range by calling plus you have position. You could I guess, do this for value against paranoid opponents that may 3bet jam your raise, but unless you have that dynamic going (and know that he's spazzy enough), calling is probably more +EV against villain's air range.

if i were gonna raise this, i prefer shoving...

DvoBoardRider would you ever with any hand shove this board?!?

Agree with Arirang anyway.

Prefer calling to let him have the possibility to hang himself again on turn with hands like AK/AQ. If he has an overpair the money goes in anyway (not that you have to build the pot at this stage... two more streets and 45$ in the pot on turn if you call).

However raising is kind of funky because you don't rep much at all, I've seen people do "see where I am at"-raises and fold to shoves, so this would work some percantages against me with a hand like AK =)

On May 16 2011 09:54 SpasticInk wrote: DvoBoardRider would you ever with any hand shove this board?!? Agree with Arirang anyway. Prefer calling to let him have the possibility to hang himself again on turn with hands like AK/AQ. If he has an overpair the money goes in anyway (not that you have to build the pot at this stage... two more streets and 45$ in the pot on turn if you call). However raising is kind of funky because you don't rep much at all, I've seen people do "see where I am at"-raises and fold to shoves, so this would work some percantages against me with a hand like AK =)

fyi, i think calling is better. but if i were to raise i'd rather shove... make him think.. "really???", he then proceeds clicking the call button with A-high

Agree with the if you're going to raise then shove. Think it's a call though over any option. Let him hang himself, or if an ace/king comes down, it's payday

On May 16 2011 10:04 DvoBoardRider wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2011 09:54 SpasticInk wrote: DvoBoardRider would you ever with any hand shove this board?!? Agree with Arirang anyway. Prefer calling to let him have the possibility to hang himself again on turn with hands like AK/AQ. If he has an overpair the money goes in anyway (not that you have to build the pot at this stage... two more streets and 45$ in the pot on turn if you call). However raising is kind of funky because you don't rep much at all, I've seen people do "see where I am at"-raises and fold to shoves, so this would work some percantages against me with a hand like AK =) fyi, i think calling is better. but if i were to raise i'd rather shove... make him think.. "really???", he then proceeds clicking the call button with A-high

look at stack sizes (130bb) , no sane person would ever bluff shove 120bb over his 12bb cbet. it's a horrible move and it probably could make him herofold hands instead.

If hero in this spot would ever want to bluff, it's SO much better to raise like he did. It has to work like 50 % of the times to be profitable, while shoving, he needs him to fold a huuge percentage of time (you risk 120 to win 30... need to work at least 80 % of the time... and also it increases variance like hell)

if you raise it's for metagame , to let you minraise bluff like this in other spots.
I prefer call

take the betting lead away from a really aggresive opponent on a board where hes likley 5% to improve

only ~2-2.5% of hands can continue here, raising will actually win the pot almost 75% of the time (unless hes 3-betting 77-33) in which case your play is actually better as a bluff, to get him to fold AJ, KQ, JT, 67s etc.. type hands

If you want to exploit this player, learn to bluffraise certain flops that hes statistically unlikley to hit, Q22, 992, A63, etc.. run some calcs, these player types are v ez to play against once you figure it out

The raise looks like such shit that an aggro player would be tempted to raise back imo

call/call/and "pop him on the river!"

Call instead, especially if he does 3bet you a lot, he might think you're peeling one thus not giving you credit for 9 and you will be folding to further agression...Even more profitable if he hits a pair on the turn or river, on that kind of board you're far ahead from him .

yes, this is the easiest call ever for reasons already mentioned

the thing is your raise does look like bs but its only half the story since even tho you dont rep much he still cant do shit in his position.

as evilsky just said....

you should probably never ever raise this spot