<3 simona,
almost flatted =(

i dont get it, why are you shoving this ?

why shouldn't I shove this?
I still think it's best, it just hurt a bit when he insta folded his air

ive tried to run the math on this but its either too complicated or im too dumb -.- it feels like a call but im not sure.

it's 100bb deep and if he's semibluffing with a pair I suppose he won't shove for halfpot on the river when I check. If he has something like AA I don't expect him(lol Simona) to fold ever,if I flat turn he might check back many rivers though. His 2 pair are never folding,I highly doubt he raises turn like this with 1010 all the times ( I could even say ever but let's say he does that half the time 100 bbs deep) and I protect from some random gutshot like 78s or A4s ( 78cc orA4cc probably get it in).
What's the reason to call? O_o

I mean if I'm in position I can control what's happening and a call seems somewhat better,also his raise seems more legit for value if he's oop.
Weird that you guys feel I should call

I would probably call most of the time here anyway, only real scarecard is a club, so you lose action 18% of the time (possibly) and give him another chance to bluff 82% of the time.

What do you do with AA in this spot? Call or shove? (not considering a fold)

obviously for balancing reasons flatting is better and I seem very strong when I shove.
The thing is though that the reason to balance my play in this spot is to allow him to do the mistake of shipping the river with worse or air.
Given the history of stupid bluffing I'm not really expecting him to ship river for half pot though,or fold anything of value that made him take this line.

Example of stupid bluff: I have JJ and flat pre vs utg reg, villain flats with 57s from the bb, flop is 823r and he c/raises my bet and checks A turn and brick river.

I think jamming is correct too.

With AA...I'd probably call and c/c again on river unless it's ugly. Problem with AA here is that you can't really jam and get called by worse, so your hand turns into a bluffcatcher. But with 55, amongst many other reasons, the fact that you can get called by worse value hands makes it an easy jam.

Depending on the river and villain, with AA, I may throw out a small bet and call any raise.

as i see it it's WA/WB spot so just keep all his bluffs in and if he ever checks anything back on river (that he bluffs with on turn) then you can start snapowning him

Fwiw, I think you should bet slightly larger on turn, because with current betsizing, when villain calls, it's a slight overbet jam on river against villain's stack.

On May 19 2011 13:17 dUUd_ wrote: as i see it it's WA/WB spot so just keep all his bluffs in and if he ever checks anything back on river (that he bluffs with on turn) then you can start snapowning him

What's a WA/WB spot. And also, what do you mean by snapowning him. That he'll checkback any marginal SDV stuff so that if he jams it's polarized range and therefore easy snapcall?

On May 19 2011 13:06 lebowski wrote: obviously for balancing reasons flatting is better and I seem very strong when I shove. The thing is though that the reason to balance my play in this spot is to allow him to do the mistake of shipping the river with worse or air. Given the history of stupid bluffing I'm not really expecting him to ship river for half pot though,or fold anything of value that made him take this line. Example of stupid bluff: I have JJ and flat pre vs utg reg, villain flats with 57s from the bb, flop is 823r and he c/raises my bet and checks A turn and brick river.

I think how strong you seem when you shove is irrelevant here and balance is not my main concern either. I think it simply comes down to air vs value on the turn and how likely he will be to bluff the river and also need to account the action lost vs real hands on scary river and all that is a bitch to calculate.
I dont know maybe shove is best but I think its close.

The reason I call here is because you look weaker. You can have a FD that get correct odds, he might think he can bluff you of a overpair and such. Made hands will ship the river anyway.

what % of the time do you people think he is going to just shove the river as a bluff srsly?

just shove and force him to call with his random Tx or straight draw or whatever, if you flat here you will most likely let him play the river perfectly most of the time.