wtf is he thinking... Must be nice being a fish!

Bet river, wtf.

Soon as the 9 came I knew i was beat, rather save my last $1.

Bet more on the turn, wtf.

edit: This whole hand, wtf.

Why bet more on turn, the only draw that I'm scared of now is the flush draw. Can rule out 6x for 99.999% of people in the world.

Standard NL2, just frustrating being outdrawn nonstop constantly.

Standard is to shove the turn.

standard would be playing this hand completely differently

the whole hand is played 2nl worthy

vs the megafish, I think this was played fine. Should of included his stats, lost them now.

everyone else is wrong and you're right, don't listen to haters

On July 01 2011 11:20 SoC wrote: wtf is he thinking...

I can ask you the same question

On July 01 2011 11:46 SoC wrote: Why bet more on turn

On July 01 2011 12:29 SoC wrote: vs the megafish,

You answered your own question right here.

I don't like 3betting this hand preflop, i dislike your flop raise very very much and then after all that you make the nuts and still screw up?????

On July 01 2011 12:44 jeffv8x_-_16 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2011 11:20 SoC wrote: wtf is he thinking... I can ask you the same question   On July 01 2011 11:46 SoC wrote: Why bet more on turn   On July 01 2011 12:29 SoC wrote: vs the megafish, You answered your own question right here. I don't like 3betting this hand preflop, i dislike your flop raise very very much and then after all that you make the nuts and still screw up?????

We still had about $1.80 each on Turn, Plan was 80 then 1, he has to call both if he's calling turn. So the moneys going in regardless. He will still call the turn whatever I bet, and I want him too, but I saved 50BB by doingi t my way.

so he is calling with 10 high when the river bricks?

the hand is just played in a suboptimal way against most likely anybody. flatting preflop is the superior play with 55 here.
as played the flop raise is spewy and bloats the pot for no reason.
now as played you hit the nuts on the turn. you bet it in a way that will give him pot odds to continue with any draw considering you will be all-in on the river alot if he hits.
also you said you can rule out 6x for almost anybody in that spot but then again you check behind river. that does not make any sense.

LOL.
using word standard and nl2 in same sentence.
U said he only had 'flushdraw' so how can he call riv if he bricks?
your thinking process makes no sense(if at all)

On July 01 2011 13:00 SoC wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2011 12:44 jeffv8x_-_16 wrote:   On July 01 2011 11:20 SoC wrote: wtf is he thinking... I can ask you the same question   On July 01 2011 11:46 SoC wrote: Why bet more on turn   On July 01 2011 12:29 SoC wrote: vs the megafish, You answered your own question right here. I don't like 3betting this hand preflop, i dislike your flop raise very very much and then after all that you make the nuts and still screw up????? We still had about $1.80 each on Turn, Plan was 80 then 1, he has to call both if he's calling turn. So the moneys going in regardless. He will still call the turn whatever I bet, and I want him too, but I saved 50BB by doingi t my way.

i mean, you're free to think what you want and ignore the advice. but basically, there's not a winning player in the world who would play this hand this way against anybody ever.

Must be nice being a fish!

War of the Fishes

the sooner you drop your stubbornness and realize you have a long, long ways to go and that pretty much everyone in this thread is not only capable of giving you good advice but actually IS giving you good advice, the sooner you will beat nl2.

someone who doesn't even play poker can still see the fallacies in your argument (of which you really dont have)

gl on the tables

We still had about $1.80 each on Turn, Plan was 80 then 1, he has to call both if he's calling turn. So the moneys going in regardless.

No he doesn't. Yet the money is not in???????????????

He will still call the turn whatever I bet, and I want him too

Then why are you betting so small. HINT: IF SOMEONE WILL CALL ANY BET MAKE IT BIGGER NOT SMALLER

but I saved 50BB by doingi t my way.

NO, YOU LOST 50bb OF VALUE BY PLAYING IT LIKE THIS

Ok I'll explain my reasoning behind the hand from the start -

Preflop, the 2 table idiots call and minraise, I want to play as many big pots vs these two and IP as much as possible, I'm confident neither have an overpair.

Pyzia has donk bet a lot of flops, when the flop comes I think I may be behind as he could very easily have an 8 or 7 in his hand. So i re-raise his donk bet as a "semi-bluff" this is probably the most questionable part of the hand in my view, he flat calls. Now I think 99.99% of the time I'm behind, he has A8/A7ss 78 etc, or some other nice juicy hand that has hit this board nicely.

The turn comes and it's beautiful. The pot is now $1.70 and we both have about $1.8 behind. He checks, now at best I put him on 4 outs + maybe the flush but I doubt A7ss calls my raise on flop at this point, 7788 (if he has 78 at worst case scenario). If I shove and he has 78 I guess he calls, but he could lay it down now the straight draw got there. So I figure I'm IP and any river card that comes I'm happy with except 7788. He calls my 80cent bet, so again I think 78/A8/A7ss maybe.

The river comes and he checks again, and I check behind. The way I've played this hand this is a shove river, but it was just a feeling and not being happy with getting it AI for the last $1 here. So I check behind and find It's a good check as I am indeed behind.

I agree that the reasons behind all my streets mean this river is an autoshove.

This is only a strange hand as I doubt any players would still be there with 10 6 on the river but this one guy.

lol i saw 21 replies.. looked at hand.. saw first 3 replies than scrolled down and saw this image and just LOL awesome

On July 01 2011 16:17 SoC wrote: Ok I'll explain my reasoning behind the hand from the start - Preflop, the 2 table idiots call and minraise, I want to play as many big pots vs these two and IP as much as possible fine when you actually have a hand. 55 isnt a hand, but can be postflop, I'm confident neither have an overpair. that's irrelevant. your hand is still incredibly vulnerable on most flops and board run outs Pyzia has donk bet a lot of flops so?, when the flop comes I think I may be behind as he could very easily have an 8 or 7 in his hand. So i re-raise his donk bet as a "semi-bluff" terrible reasoning, you have 2 outs this is just a bluff this is probably the most questionable part of the hand in my view wrong, he flat calls. Now I think 99.99% of the time I'm behind and then you go on to put him on "4 outs + maybe the flush" lol, he has A8/A7ss 78 etc, or some other nice juicy hand that has hit this board nicely. The turn comes and it's beautiful. The pot is now $1.70 and we both have about $1.8 behind omg perfect jam spot. He checks, now at best I put him on 4 outs + maybe the flush don't know how him checking led you to this revelation but I doubt A7ss calls my raise on flop at this point wrong, 7788 (if he has 78 at worst case scenario). If I shove and he has 78 I guess he calls, but he could lay it down now the straight draw got there incredibly wrong. So I figure I'm IP and any river card that comes I'm happy with except 7788 didn't you just assign part of his range to include draws?. He calls my 80cent bet, so again I think 78/A8/A7ss maybe. you just said you doubt A7ss calls your flop raise... The river comes and he checks again, and I check behind. The way I've played this hand this is a shove river close, it was a shove turn, but it was just a feeling lol and not being happy with getting it AI for the last $1 here. So I check behind and find It's a good check as I am indeed behind. just because you were right here doesn't make it a good play I agree that the reasons behind all my streets mean this river is an autoshove. you have no reasoning on any street This is only a strange hand as I doubt any players would still be there with 10 6 on the river but this one guy. wrong

You contradict half your reasoning throughout this. You cannot expect this to be reasonable play.

Props on actually putting up your reasoning though, most would've /afked on this thread by now.

tl;dr you would've been paid off by 80% of this guy's turn range if you jammed turn. by getting it to the river you check back against hands that would've paid off (pair/2p), or when the river is safe you let draws that would've called turn save 50bb. you make bigger mistakes a greater % of the time when you let river cards dictate your value range when you could've just gotten it in on the turn

I said A7ss maybe, but I wasn't counting the flush draw in for most of this as I said, I doubt it calls my flop raise. I said he has 4 outs AFTER i hit my set, not on the flop. The check didn't give me that revelation, the 5 gave me the "he has 4 outs" mindthink. I'm happy with my play on turn, river is a bet I agree but gut feelings win sometimes.

And I'm happy to post hands and get abuse, thats the point of posting my lolworthy Nl2 hands

I think you'll prove faster if you were more critical of your own play.

you're obviuosly thinking about how to play the best way. but you won't improve if you can't objectively and critically think of your play and take other perspectives and opinions seriously (obv there's a limit to this since people can be retardo

btw to put it into perspective you are by all intents and purposes: a fish.

don't take it the wrong way. just trying to help you out.

lol that's good, you need thick skin to survive LP tbh

and please dont be content with your turn play. I don't want to run it through stove and calcs but i can almost always guarantee that your bet is mathematically sub-optimal here vs. jamming turn if you are checking back on certain rivers, and if he is folding weaker made hands on certain rivers, and almost especially because he is folding all missed draws on most rivers.

oh and one final thing re: your earlier post, a 7 or 8 wouldve actually been the best river cards that could come for you.

almost 30 comments, one time lez go!

listen to these people. theyre not trying to trick you into playing bad. lol

WP imo

nh, sick read u should post it on HOTW

samillionaire for once wants to know how it feels on the other side... lol

On July 01 2011 18:17 ERASA wrote: samillionaire for once wants to know how it feels on the other side... lol

i loled