ehh after 5 more hands i dont think he's a fish, never mind hand

seems like 88 is the only hand in his range you lose to?

whos calling 9bb in the bb with AQ?

i guess some semi fish flat with all pairs here since its prob gonna be 3way

seems like a bad fold to me...

bad fold imo if you thought he was a fish at the time, especially after inducing it with your river bet, + you're getting good odds to call

insane fold imo, if vs fish i'd bet like $25-30 to get a call from pairs, that way it will be way easier to call on river as well hehe.

ez fold imo. would be really stupid for him to bluff, and that's the only thing we beat. but i would also prefer betting like 20$ on river.

? its standard for people to cold call a 3b oop with AQ, KQ, 88, 44, and 57 here?

what the heck does he have

i bet to small here thats why im a bit afraid for an inducebet. I should have bet 20$.
but i think villians range is purely made out of made hands, and i dont think he's gonna turn a good pair into a bluff.
Also coldcalling 3bets is usually a hand that involves Qx (most of them beat my Qx) or a pair. and i doubt this guy (he's at least some thinking) is shoving his whole stack here with a pair of aces 3w. im happy i made the fold rly.

definite fold vs most people. he's not just bluff shoving here randomly since he's afraid you have a Q. he has a strong Q (maybe he doesnt even raise that) or a set / straight. you may think it's weird for him to have a value hand here but close to 0% of people are ever bluffing here with a guy behind too.

On July 24 2011 18:33 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote: definite fold vs most people. he's not just bluff shoving here randomly since he's afraid you have a Q. he has a strong Q (maybe he doesnt even raise that) or a set / straight. you may think it's weird for him to have a value hand here but close to 0% of people are ever bluffing here with a guy behind too.

+1

And that gay crap on the river leads so many people to think it induces in spots where it never does or vs players who aren't even susceptible to being induced

On July 24 2011 18:42 D_Zoo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 24 2011 18:33 rS.Wisdom[9] wrote: definite fold vs most people. he's not just bluff shoving here randomly since he's afraid you have a Q. he has a strong Q (maybe he doesnt even raise that) or a set / straight. you may think it's weird for him to have a value hand here but close to 0% of people are ever bluffing here with a guy behind too. +1 And that gay crap on the river leads so many people to think it induces in spots where it never does or vs players who aren't even susceptible to being induced

I fall to that trap over and over again, good fold imo

why do you 3b this, and why do you check this flop? I dont mind the river fold but there is some weird decisions prior to it imo

On July 24 2011 14:58 NeillyJQ wrote: seems like 88 is the only hand in his range you lose to? whos calling 9bb in the bb with AQ? i guess some semi fish flat with all pairs here since its prob gonna be 3way seems like a bad fold to me...

i would say when someone is coldcalling my 3bet, AQ is one of the first hands I put them on. (as part of their range)
and if some semi fish would flat all pairs, why would he shove river???? i seriously think you lack much experience in online cash games.

On July 24 2011 19:27 EvilSky wrote: why do you 3b this, and why do you check this flop? I dont mind the river fold but there is some weird decisions prior to it imo

Good point. Stackmenow is a nit when it comes to defending against 3bets. He has like 85% fold to 3bet. I could flat and let the unknown player in the big blind (villian) inas well, but I'm not super confident in how I would play it out postflop.
Original raiser has a tendency to continuebet a lot and with a (possible) 3th player left to act (assuming he's checking most of his range as first to act) I'm limited in my actions. I was just trying to take it down preflop. If this is flawed thinking, I invite you to teach me.

I'm checking the flop because I'm not very sure about the coldcaller, like I said I had zero history with him. I'm not really worried about the original raiser because I think his calling range is rather weak on this board and if he missed, I think he has little equity to improve. So basicly I'm assuming this will be between me and the coldcaller. I check because I don't like betting and getting raised here on this board with this hand. Plus I don't feel confident at all to go for 3 streets. Again if this line of thought is wrong, correct me.