player 5 was at 11/11 so i didnt want to 3b him ... fish was 83/35 so no way i am folding this vs him right ? ... thnx a lot

i would probably 3-bet here, not because it's great vs the original raiser's range but because there's so much value in iso'ing the fish and bloating the pot pre with a hand like JJ compared to being out of position 3-way.

and yeah definitely have to get it in on flop as played

On September 08 2011 16:50 r0mx0 wrote: player 5 was at 11/11 so i didnt want to 3b him ... fish was 83/35 so no way i am folding this vs him right ? ... thnx a lot

dont raise the flop isnt necesary it's a nit, you should fold if you didnt 3-bet to this guy preflop. your thought process is so ilogical.

you didnt put this villain on a range, seriously you think that this guy is behind you?

You had should have balls, to 3-bet this guy and bigger balls to fold vs a 4-bet if you was OOP or calling setmining but I dislike this last play.

On September 08 2011 17:03 el_tilon wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 16:50 r0mx0 wrote: player 5 was at 11/11 so i didnt want to 3b him ... fish was 83/35 so no way i am folding this vs him right ? ... thnx a lot dont raise the flop isnt necesary it's a nit, you should fold if you didnt 3-bet to this guy preflop. your thought process is so ilogical.

the flop bettor isn't the nit -.-

On September 08 2011 17:05 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2011 17:03 el_tilon wrote:   On September 08 2011 16:50 r0mx0 wrote: player 5 was at 11/11 so i didnt want to 3b him ... fish was 83/35 so no way i am folding this vs him right ? ... thnx a lot dont raise the flop isnt necesary it's a nit, you should fold if you didnt 3-bet to this guy preflop. your thought process is so ilogical. the flop bettor isn't the nit -.-

ohh sorry forget it all that I said, and 3-bet preflop.

yea thats what i wanted to do isolate fish too but dicided not to , but previous days a had few spots where i 3b TT, JJ vs 20/15 .18/14 .20/12 utg raisors plus few callers from SB,BB and had to fold to original raisors 4b and fish called and i floped sets ,i know it had to be a fold pre but i was 3b it because i dont like multivay pots (who does) so i am first to act when they call 3b and i am little bit weak on cBeting and probably just x fold K, Q, A high flops .....so thats it ... so is it better to flat JJ,TT into 3+ multivay pots vs tight openers and 2 badplayer's calls OOP ????

On September 08 2011 17:12 r0mx0 wrote: yea thats what i wanted to do isolate fish too but dicided not to , but previous days a had few spots where i 3b TT, JJ vs 20/15 .18/14 .20/12 utg raisors plus few callers from SB,BB and had to fold to original raisors 4b and fish called and i floped sets ,i know it had to be a fold pre but i was 3b it because i dont like multivay pots (who does) so i am first to act when they call 3b and i am little bit weak on cBeting and probably just x fold K, Q, A high flops .....so thats it ... so is it better to flat JJ,TT into 3+ multivay pots vs tight openers and 2 badplayer's calls OOP ????

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On September 08 2011 17:12 r0mx0 wrote: yea thats what i wanted to do isolate fish too but dicided not to , but previous days a had few spots where i 3b TT, JJ vs 20/15 .18/14 .20/12 utg raisors plus few callers from SB,BB and had to fold to original raisors 4b and fish called and i floped sets ,i know it had to be a fold pre but i was 3b it because i dont like multivay pots (who does) so i am first to act when they call 3b and i am little bit weak on cBeting and probably just x fold K, Q, A high flops .....so thats it ... so is it better to flat JJ,TT into 3+ multivay pots vs tight openers and 2 badplayer's calls OOP ????

i think there's a few too many variables to answer here, it's sort of like asking how to play poker

although it's worth pointing out that because of fish's stack size in this particular hand the OR can't really 4-bet bluff (i shouldn't say he *can't*, but he probably shouldn't/won't).