hes 3bet me every hand so I tried to 4bet bluf him... is this line right?
70 h 17/12/3.0 3bet12

Every hand? It's worth remembering that at tables of 6 different players, over multiple tables, one or more of your opponents is going to be running red hot preflop at any given time. Constantly overreacting to a short term trend is going to cost you a LOT of money. You are not being exploited preflop at microstakes.

I don't think that's entirely true, Oly. Villain flatting our 4-bet with KK sort of says something.

Edit:

Noticing someone 3-betting a lot and adjusting to this by 4-betting semi weak hands might actually win us a lot of money, if our postflop play is good enough.

Bah. Sort of changing my mind when I think about it. I don't play micro cash games so I shouldn't be trusted.

On September 22 2011 13:50 llapa wrote: I don't think that's entirely true, Oly. Villain flatting our 4-bet with KK sort of says something. Edit: Noticing someone 3-betting a lot and adjusting to this by 4-betting semi weak hands might actually win us a lot of money, if our postflop play is good enough. Bah. Sort of changing my mind when I think about it. I don't play micro cash games so I shouldn't be trusted.

what do you think villain flatting the 4-bet says other than that he expects hero to be 4-bet bluffing there a lot?

don't really understand what you mean about 4-betting semi weak hands "if our postflop play is good enough", 4-betting negates postflop play to a certain exent. if he's 3-betting too much widen your calling range IP/widen your 4-betting range OOP and tighten up your opening range.

agree with oly obviously about overreacting, but if you want to be the boss and 4-bet i think it should be a little bigger since you're OOP and a tad deeper than 100bb, i would go more like 2.5x his 3bet.

On September 22 2011 14:12 bigredhoss wrote: what do you think villain flatting the 4-bet says other than that he expects hero to be 4-bet bluffing there a lot? don't really understand what you mean about 4-betting semi weak hands "if our postflop play is good enough", 4-betting negates postflop play to a certain exent. if he's 3-betting too much widen your calling range IP/widen your 4-betting range OOP and tighten up your opening range. agree with oly obviously about overreacting, but if you want to be the boss and 4-bet i think it should be a little bigger since you're OOP and a tad deeper than 100bb, i would go more like 2.5x his 3bet.

I honestly haven't played a lot micro stake cash games but from what I've seen from HHs it seems PF-play is pretty straight forward. Your 4-bet is gonna get reraised if villain feels safe. I'm pretty sure he expects us to have an Ax-hand pretty much all the time, and then just flats thinking "if an ace comes, I'll fold" or perhaps rather "if an ace doesn't come, I'll play for all my money". But I might be leveling myself too much here.

Regarding the 4-bet/postflop comment I just meant that we have to be comfortable about or postflop play if we 4-bet and get called. Otherwise we could just 4-bet shove.

Even if he has 3bet you a lot, remember you opened UTG this time.

On September 22 2011 14:24 llapa wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2011 14:12 bigredhoss wrote: what do you think villain flatting the 4-bet says other than that he expects hero to be 4-bet bluffing there a lot? don't really understand what you mean about 4-betting semi weak hands "if our postflop play is good enough", 4-betting negates postflop play to a certain exent. if he's 3-betting too much widen your calling range IP/widen your 4-betting range OOP and tighten up your opening range. agree with oly obviously about overreacting, but if you want to be the boss and 4-bet i think it should be a little bigger since you're OOP and a tad deeper than 100bb, i would go more like 2.5x his 3bet. I honestly haven't played a lot micro stake cash games but from what I've seen from HHs it seems PF-play is pretty straight forward. Your 4-bet is gonna get reraised if villain feels safe. I'm pretty sure he expects us to have an Ax-hand pretty much all the time, and then just flats thinking "if an ace comes, I'll fold" or perhaps rather "if an ace doesn't come, I'll play for all my money". But I might be leveling myself too much here. Regarding the 4-bet/postflop comment I just meant that we have to be comfortable about or postflop play if we 4-bet and get called. Otherwise we could just 4-bet shove.

so what have you played?

sngs :EEEEEEEEEEEEE i suck at cash games. well i play some live mid stake cash games as well. but they don't really count.

I turned my hand in bluff coz he doesnt respect my bets, 3bets me a lots of the time in short period. I folded mid pockets to his 3bets, red QQ in 3 bet pot on black A high flop and this time tried to look like AA in this spot. I know I should 4 bet him higher but after showing weekness my decision was pretty clear: 4bet bluff/fold to 5bet or shove. nevermind.
the question is: does play like this one make any sens on mikro stakes?
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