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Handnr: 921751
Submitted by : stOrk-gm

PokerStars Game #68211741786: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2011/09/29 1:37:27 ET
Table Stearns II 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: abdaar ($184.75 in chips)
abdaar: posts small blind $1
Hero: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 2sQc6hQs
abdaar: raises $4 to $6
Hero: calls $4

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $12.00)

   Qd2h5d
Hero: checks
abdaar: bets $8
Hero: raises $26 to $34
abdaar: calls $26

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $80.00)

   Qd2h5dTs
Hero: bets $79.50
abdaar: calls $79.50

River (Pot : $239.00)

   Qd2h5dTs6c
Hero: bets $80.50 and is all-in
abdaar: calls $65.25 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($15.25) returned to Hero

Showdown
Hero: shows 2sQc6hQs (three of a kind, Queens)
abdaar: shows 3h4hAsJs (a straight, Deuce to Six)
abdaar collected $369 from pot

Summary
Total pot $369.50 | Rake $0.50
Board  Qd2h5dTs6c
Seat 1: Hero (big blind) showed 2sQc6hQs and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 2: abdaar (button) (small blind) showed 3h4hAsJs and won ($369) with a straight, Deuce to Six

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stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 01:43. Posts 105

sick that he calls on turn...

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boreHM   Netherlands. Sep 29 2011 02:19. Posts 1595

his turn call doesn't look terrible to me


SPEWTARD   Peru. Sep 29 2011 02:20. Posts 4306

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stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 02:28. Posts 105

Thats because you see what I have, if I have even 1 pair with FD then his % drops even lower than this. if a Kd or 6d would come on river and the hand is played like this, would you really be happy about having his hand?


ichiro   Netherlands. Sep 29 2011 08:23. Posts 122

i am not a real Omaha wizzard but isn't this a call on the flop? i mean when the diamond or ace or six comes you can't feel good about your hand. also the hand is now prettymuch face-up. i heard you need to avoid these spots as much as possible.


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 08:46. Posts 105

I dont know how agressive you people are playing hu plo, but i like playing either very solid or very agressive, and my check raise on flop means i have hand like: QQxx, QQ34, QQAx diamonds/kx diamonds etc. or just 2345, Q534 and very many diff combos of flushdraws+maybe OESD or GSSD or just fe. QJTA with diamonds.
Many people do make the call here, which I personally find very horrible in his spot, I mean pretty much anything that comes on river wont give you a great hand or will get you busted anyway(diamond/3/4) and he is calling on turn 79.50$ to win 65.25$ more on river with max ~40% win%?
In NLHE I could understand it, since the opponent cant have both set and a flush draw f.e., but in omaha you can be so crushed here...

I dunno... thats my oppinion atleast.


Twisted    Netherlands. Sep 29 2011 09:08. Posts 10422

Sure you can be behind in equity, but against your range he certainly has around 33% at least which is what he needs to call your potbet with. Look here, you have topset and he has 40% equity, that's not a bad deal at all.

I think his call is totally standard. Dunno if you noticed, but a K also gives him the best hand AND he's in position. Are you saying you're gonna bluff the river when a diamond comes off? If a diamond hits and you check he has a good bluff opportunity as well where he can put you in a really shitty spot.


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 09:14. Posts 105

Like I said, he had 65$ stack left on river and pot is 240$, of course i ship it no matter what the river is. same guy played top 2 just like this hand in other hand so... theres absolutely no river card where i could check, and of course i know about the king lol.


Twisted    Netherlands. Sep 29 2011 09:47. Posts 10422

Well considering he needs 33% equity and he easily has that against your range, the call is fine. He can still fold river if he misses and he did not make a losing play. What stack he has behind does not matter at that point. He can call based sheerly on pot odds alone.


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 10:27. Posts 105

ok... i get that.
so what you think he should do on turn if,
comes 3d and im betting the pot?
comes 4d and im betting the pot?
comes 6d and im betting the pot?

if its a right call there too?? then what about river
if it even pairs?
doesnt pair?
I mean, d on turn has to be fold to him 99% of time without 100% confidence of me having only set/2pair right?
am I totally wrong here? Im very nitty player i just like to play agressive when given space.

whatcha think?


Twisted    Netherlands. Sep 29 2011 10:36. Posts 10422

Obviously he has to fold on the turn if a diamond rolls off because his equity turns to shit because he might be drawing dead to a flush.

That's not really the argument though because it's the turn spot where it's still a non-flushed board. Also curious if you'd just jam it in on a diamond turn.

It's just this hand in his point of view is, ok I have a good draw so I'm betting the flop and obviously calling the raise IP. Then that turn rolls off and I have a ton of equity but he no fold equity so I can't really shove here so I call. River misses and I fold, river hits and I call.

I think both players in this hand played it fine.. he might be a fish (because of his stacksize I dunno) so he might be making the right play for the wrong reasons, but no-one is at fault in this hand imo. I just don't know why you're making such a big deal out of his turncall when he has that kind of equity with an added $65 implied odds on top because as you say; you're not folding but he isn't either when he hits.


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 11:26. Posts 105

because i lost and im angry ofcourse :D


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 11:29. Posts 105

Well I guess you're right then with all ur math wizards.
I'd still fold though if I was him, in my mind theres so many river cards that just will get you busted, even an ace/3/4 might not be good always here, not to mention diamond that completes his hand also.


Bullshit   Canada. Sep 29 2011 12:19. Posts 738

how do you think shoving a diamond river is a good idea


stOrk-gm   . Sep 29 2011 12:59. Posts 105

Hows it not?
Any nutflush draw type of hands with any other draw or one pair will be raising on flop already so he wont show me that, i was very sure here he had 34 as he did and i hated the 6 obviously, but as we were playing some hands and he sure likes to make hero calls, there's no way i could check on a diamond river here. Its just thin value for a lot of hands that are also in his range. Also if I check and he bets, I cant fold obviously, so he would check back with any 2 pair or lower set.
We played very similiar hand with big pot also,
he had ~300$
I had 350~$

me with JJT9 2x d and 2x h
flop came J47 with two diamonds
i check raised him just like here, he called
turn 2h
i bet the pot and he calls
river 3s,
obviously didnt like that river, same as here and i bet the pot and he calls
he shows J7KT

Am I really wrong here? Seems cristal clear to me, guess it not then.



MiPwnYa    Brasil. Sep 30 2011 17:15. Posts 5230

thats a strong check raising range u got there pal : )
I like the way both players played the hand


 

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