PokerStars Game #71256146639: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2011/11/28 15:39:37 AEST [2011/11/27 23:39:37 ET]
Table Herberta IV 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: 91_Rino ($4.35 in chips)
Seat 2: jyopy15 ($25.73 in chips)
Seat 3: psrayao ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($13.91 in chips)
Seat 5: Milky370 ($9.71 in chips)
Seat 6: czts ($7.66 in chips)
91_Rino: posts small blind $0.05
jyopy15: posts big blind $0.10
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 
psrayao: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Milky370: folds
czts: calls $0.30
91_Rino: folds
jyopy15: folds
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.75)
Hero: bets $0.50
czts: calls $0.50
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1.75)
Hero: checks
czts: bets $0.83
Hero: calls $0.83
River (Pot : $3.41)
Hero: checks
czts: bets $1.90
Hero: calls $1.90
Showdown
czts: shows 
(three of a kind, Fives)
Hero: mucks hand
czts collected $6.86 from pot
Summary
Total pot $7.21 | Rake $0.35
Board
Seat 1: 91_Rino (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: jyopy15 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: psrayao folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero mucked
Seat 5: Milky370 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: czts (button) showed and won ($6.86) with three of a kind, Fives
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TheLink Australia. Nov 28 2011 00:00. Posts 406 | | |
It's accepted wisdom that fish never fold top pair and I am currently losing a ton of money clicking the call button. Just looking for some general advice on when you should decide to call someone down, should you basically always fold top pair top kicker to a river bet like this vs a tight reg?
In the hand above, what if he'd bet close to pot each street? What if I'm in position and he leads into me? I assume I take the exact same line with QJ but fold turn or river? |
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Tensai176 Canada. Nov 28 2011 00:02. Posts 1018 | | | |
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Tensai176 Canada. Nov 28 2011 00:03. Posts 1018 | | |
If you think he's inclined to be value-betting a worse Jack that is and it's pretty drawy, he could be semi-bluffing with diamonds or SD |
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TheLink Australia. Nov 28 2011 00:13. Posts 406 | | | |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Nov 28 2011 00:21. Posts 8649 | | |
| | On November 27 2011 23:02 Tensai176 wrote:
Looks okay imo |
it's definitely not ok, there's nothing for him to do but bet-bet-shove. |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Nov 28 2011 00:23. Posts 8649 | | |
AT hand is just player dependant. |
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TheLink Australia. Nov 28 2011 00:31. Posts 406 | | |
Seriously? I don't think there are many draws in his range and I doubt this fish would float with them. This is only because he has 75BB stack right?
If I barrel the turn I get an easy shove on the river, although he probably folds everything I could beat despite being seriously committed. What if he had 100BB? |
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dont chk/c TPTK unless villain is super spweytard can peel/bluff later streets a lot
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Nov 28 2011 00:47. Posts 8649 | | |
| | On November 27 2011 23:31 TheLink wrote:
Seriously? I don't think there are many draws in his range and I doubt this fish would float with them. This is only because he has 75BB stack right?
If I barrel the turn I get an easy shove on the river, although he probably folds everything I could beat despite being seriously committed. What if he had 100BB? |
value from worse J's/mid pairs and charge draws, it's just very hard for him to have a hand that beats us. what do you mean when you say he wouldn't float draws? generally when people say floating they refer to calling a cbet with like, KJ on a 24T flop planning to take it away on a later street. but anyway i still don't get the comment, you don't think he's calling with a diamond draw?
with 100bb it's still an easy bet-bet-bet when we get such a good (dry) runout, can't really shove the river in that case because of stacksizes but it's the same idea. |
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| Truck-Crash Life | Last edit: 28/11/2011 00:49 |
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 28 2011 01:14. Posts 7499 | | |
God is punishing you for not betting the turn here. |
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djforever Canada. Nov 28 2011 01:21. Posts 1510 | | | |
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HaiVan Bulgaria. Nov 28 2011 02:00. Posts 2083 | | |
| | On November 28 2011 00:14 Stim_Abuser wrote:
God is punishing you for not betting the turn here. |
God seems to have some fucked up priorities lol. |
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well , everyone gave the comment bet/bet/bet doesnt mean you have to bet/call on the turn or river
you can still find a fold while villain raise/shove if he was passive and only semibluff flop and value raise turn or river
that means you can save your money if you took bet/bet/bet line and get more value in the long run |
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edzwoo United States. Nov 28 2011 03:58. Posts 5911 | | |
So are you only ever betting the turn with an overpair or better? You need to be a lot more aggressive in your value betting. Making a vbet too thin is a much better mistake than not betting at all. In this case a turn bet is basically your only option. |
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yea bet bet chcall
or just bet bet bet
if you get raised its a different story |
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TimDawg  United States. Nov 28 2011 11:33. Posts 10197 | | |
| | On November 28 2011 00:21 djforever wrote:
bet/bet/bet... |
this in hand 1 and fold hand 2 pf |
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