SO MANY WRONG THINGS!

Buyin full.
Wait for BB before posting.
Raise pre.
6 flop at least.
Don't C/R min on turn.
Bet a real amount on river.

Hi there, Im a starting player and found some of the advice as helpful but there are several things that i did not understand:

- Buy in full
-- not sure why (in my mind i see buying in min as minimizing risk as i am a new player, is not the same real money as playmoney)

- Wait BB before posting
-- so i should not have posted this hand (at least publicly)?

- Raise pre
-- Have had many issues with that (players fold very quickly if i had good hands, but i get the idea why)

- 6 flop at least
-- what you mean by this (I understand the words but not the concept you ar trying to convey)

Thanks in advance for your help!

On December 31 2011 15:15 RaptorX wrote: Hi there, Im a starting player and found some of the advice as helpful but there are several things that i did not understand: - Buy in full -- not sure why (in my mind i see buying in min as minimizing risk as i am a new player, is not the same real money as playmoney) - Wait BB before posting -- so i should not have posted this hand (at least publicly)? - Raise pre -- Have had many issues with that (players fold very quickly if i had good hands, but i get the idea why) - 6 flop at least -- what you mean by this (I understand the words but not the concept you ar trying to convey) Thanks in advance for your help!

the reason for buying in full is that you want to be able to get max value from your good hands. to be honest if you're on a short bankroll and you're really new and want to minimize any tricky decisions, buying in for 60bb probably isn't the end of the world. just realize that you'll improve faster buying in for 100bb, so you should try to start doing that as soon as your bankroll/risk tolerance allows.

"wait BB before posting" - you posted SB/BB from the cutoff which is putting dead money out there, it just means wait until it's your turn for the BB before posting.

when you're the first player entering the pot you should pretty much always be raising.

you want to bet bigger on the flop because first of all you probably have the best hand and you want people to put money drawing basically dead with stuff like JTcc KQcc 65o etc. also people at 1c/2c most likely call flop ridiculously wide and you'll probably occasionally see stuff like 76o or K-high.

hope that helps, gl

Ye at NL2 you start with 50 free bucks/euro usually (do people actually deposit?). There is nothing wrong with following standard BR (bankroll) requirements from the beginning! Always have auto rebuy to a level your BR allows though, you should be cocky and think you have an edge on most people and buy in for as much as your tolerance for going bust allows.

There are cases in FR when you have a big edge on people to post in the CO, but most of the time that applies to FR where you are the best player by far, most likely live - it's in Tommy Angelo's book. It's pretty much always -EV (expected value - why you do stuff in poker) online 6Max.

Ye you should be raising unless you limp behind with stuff like 22-44 and low suited connectors that don't make strong pairs with very bad players that will always see the flop. When you are first to act, you raise with a hand like this and others fold you should get a boner as you just made free money, that's what the blinds are there for so that you can fight for them and people can't just fold all the time and play just QQ-AA profitably. I'd like to know which genius figured out that some smart asses are folding all the time and introduced mandatory bets into poker, that's what makes it poker. Here you even made it more attractive to raise and take it down by posting that extra big blind!

The flop size thang - they limped, and most people raise with strong hands like ATo + A8s+ preflop (as they should), when you discount those bad boys add draws and pairs you have the best hand most of the time. And when you have the best hand and others will call with >50% worse hands you pretty much always want to pump as much money into the pot as they will call. What's cooler thought is that even when you are afraid you are beat by them nasty A8 and A9s you can still improve on your flush outs and on your backdoor gutter. For your bet to be a good value bet you need >50% equity on the street you are betting on, not have the best hand >50% against their calling range (a set of different hands they call with).


Shit, poker is so much fun when you are starting out I wish I was in your place and not play 2-4 limits below what I could play if I didn't cash out here the biggest issue of them all is not learning new things but discipline and not thinking too much

Thank you all for all the answers.

Few questions are left though:
-"wait BB before posting" - you posted SB/BB from the cutoff which is putting dead money out there, it just means wait until it's your turn for the BB before posting.

that contradicts my logic of playing good hands... what if BB is a bad hand but other seat happens to be a KK?

btw it was a fun read even though i didnt get much of the stuff being talked about (specially LemOn) is there a glossary around

Thanks for all the help though, i did get some value info out of your replies.

On December 31 2011 18:23 RaptorX wrote: Thank you all for all the answers. Few questions are left though: -"wait BB before posting" - you posted SB/BB from the cutoff which is putting dead money out there, it just means wait until it's your turn for the BB before posting. that contradicts my logic of playing good hands... what if BB is a bad hand but other seat happens to be a KK?

you don't know you're going to get a good hand when you post the blinds out of position though...(unless you do, then pm me plz ;o)

to put it another way: everyone is a net loser from the blinds. when you post the blinds in the CO (or any other position besides when the blinds actually come around to you), you're voluntarily putting money in the pot with a random hand, which won't be profitable in the long run.

On December 31 2011 18:23 RaptorX wrote: Thank you all for all the answers. Few questions are left though: -"wait BB before posting" - you posted SB/BB from the cutoff which is putting dead money out there, it just means wait until it's your turn for the BB before posting. that contradicts my logic of playing good hands... what if BB is a bad hand but other seat happens to be a KK?

You have no way of predicting hands. You are always dealt a random hand, so why would you want to pay 3 cents to play the CO and get dealt a random hand when you can just be a little more patient, not be penalized, and post your BB as normal?

I have been reading and now i understand more your point guys.

My main idea at that moment was that 1) I had high card 2) possible flush draw
Flop helped me on both things actually (lucky me) but yeah now i understand why you dont play that way.

Thanks for all the answers guys!