I knew he had both spades but I can't lay down this hand.

If you knew that I dont understand your play at all.. This hand is kinda similiar to my hand, although they are totally different -_-

whats different about them ? except u rivered your boat and he didnt ? :O
care to explain ?

The only difference I can see is that you improved and i didn't.
We both played flop strong and push turn ^^
btw I've just seated this table and hand zero info about players so he could call with only Kspd or A Kspd

If you had bet like 24-36 it would have been similar, your push was way way bigger as Pinball pushed about 100 on a 200 pot which is 50%, you pushed about 150% of the pot. Most likely you are going to get 0,0 action from any non flush hand, and whenever he does have the flush he's never folding. If he folds you win a < 50% full buyin pot. Pinball would have won a < 100% full buyin pot.

If you don't see the difference between your plays you need to re-evaluate both hands cause it's very essential.

Oh, now i see it.
Thank you very much for the explanation Nazgul.

Tough spot, but I don't like losing a stack here. Especially not by overbetting the turn. You're representing AK w/ Ks, so you have little FE against most of Villain's possible hands, especially if he holds the Ks .

Checking gives your opponent very little information, but so does making a small or blocking bet. If you check and he has a made flush, in which case you have 10 outs, then he will either..

LIKELY: a. slowplay and check behind, giving you a disastrous free card
SOMEWHAT LIKELY: b. value bet an amount that gives you plenty of odds to draw
LIKELY: c. bet strongly and commit himself to calling the rest of your stack on the river (if you call), which gives you good enough implied odds here to draw

If he has a TP+FD, he will...

MOST LIKELY: a. check behind, taking his own free card, which will be awful for you, but you won't pay him off any further if a fourth spade lands, so at least you escape a suckout cheaply
UNLIKELY: b. make a post-oak semi-bluff, giving you an easy call
SOMEWHAT LIKELY: c. make a strong semi-bluff, possibly thinking he has the best hand, in which case you're still going to call because he will pay you off when he does have a flush and is losing when he doesn't

If he has top 2, he will..

MOST LIKELY: a. check behind, being scared and trying to hit a 4-outer or see a cheap showdown
ALMOST NEVER: b. bet small, trying to escape a check/raise cheaply
SOMEWHAT LIKELY: c. bet hard, assuming his hand is best because you checked the turn to him and he doesn't want to give you good odds to draw out with the Ks

If he has anything else in this spot, you'll get his stack eventually anyway.

So checking in most cases will get you a free chance to draw to a boat, in which case you should usually get a little more value, but it will also give your opponent a free chance to draw to a flush or overboat.

MY RECOMMENDATION --> But making a small-medium bet can represent a lot of things, and it will simultaneously leave you an exit strategy against a drawout and get you some more value out of a hand that is likely best at this point.

Pushing gets you no value when your hand is best and loses a stack most of the time when it's not.

THE FLOP
After my pot bet on the flop I have 19$ invested and here is what I figured out:
hands I can suppose he may hold (descending): 33 (x3), AKspd(x3), AA(x3),
2 spd (flopped flush, T9, J9, JT, KT or KJ all spd, lower connectors are less likely cause he was first in after the raiser) , AQ (3x), ... A3 (won't count this let's think for a moment he's not that retard) .
Note : flopped flush doesn't happen that often so I can't be sure in my reads yet.

Now I have 9 combos drawing against me and 3(AA) + 2(Nut flush) that he has me beat already what is 14 in total. Why? Because if he is a good player he would reraise this flop with two low flush cards.

I push reamining 78$ into a 46$ pot with 14 to 5 chance to win 46$ or lose that 78$. It seems to be correct for me because I almost break even here in the long run. This mean every time I lay this hand down I do a -ev play.

If someone know how to play this hand more profitable please give the detalized explanation here.

On February 08 2006 06:58 Nazgul wrote: If you had bet like 24-36 it would have been similar, your push was way way bigger as Pinball pushed about 100 on a 200 pot which is 50%, you pushed about 150% of the pot. Most likely you are going to get 0,0 action from any non flush hand, and whenever he does have the flush he's never folding. If he folds you win a < 50% full buyin pot. Pinball would have won a < 100% full buyin pot. If you don't see the difference between your plays you need to re-evaluate both hands cause it's very essential.

In case I bet 24-36 instead of 78$ push what should I do if I'm called and spade card hits on the river?