playing 2 tables, first 3bet over 50 hands

put him on AA, AK, KK, QQ...didn't want to go broke 350bb deep vs cooler

EDIT: AFTER strong bets postflop


EDIT: plan was to x-c, x-c, x-c. But this river is the WORST card in the deck. We have like Q2o

lol at range + mindset. So against that range you win maybe 25% of the time and you somehow expect to make a profit by flatting...for two streets...when the 2% dream flop and turn hits

This is probably just results oriented but you can raise the fuck out of that turn and rep a huge range of hands including some for value, thin value, semi-bluffs and bluffs and you are almost always ahead and he generally thinks he has the pot odds to c/shove with a realistic range of hands that he thinks are getting favorable odds.

Not to mention if you are going to play with scared money, wouldn't check/shove 'pray for fold' on turn be the best way to preserve your stack by raking in nearly 100 bb's?
I mean if you're going to play a terrible hand in a terrible situation, shouldn't you at least play it the next smartest mathematical bad way to play?

On March 07 2012 06:52 Trolala wrote: playing 2 tables, first 3bet over 50 hands put him on AA, AK, KK, QQ...didn't want to go broke 350bb deep vs cooler

fold pre?

On March 07 2012 07:37 julep wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 06:52 Trolala wrote: playing 2 tables, first 3bet over 50 hands put him on AA, AK, KK, QQ...didn't want to go broke 350bb deep vs cooler fold pre?

Sry, I started thinking about this range after big postflop bets
I thought of him wider preflop.

plan was to x-c, x-c, x-c

but that river kind of sucks: i have like Q2o now

why such a passive line?

On March 07 2012 08:06 idonklife wrote: why such a passive line?

for low varience, didn't want to flip or be coolered w 350bb deep
not experienced at playing deep

have to fold pre or raise turn

On March 07 2012 08:10 Trolala wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 08:06 idonklife wrote: why such a passive line? for low varience, didn't want to flip or be coolered w 350bb deep not experienced at playing deep

350 deep you should be jizzing your pants when you see this flop. Raise flop, bet huge on turn, try to get that money in.

On March 07 2012 08:10 Trolala wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 08:06 idonklife wrote: why such a passive line? for low varience, didn't want to flip or be coolered w 350bb deep not experienced at playing deep

then move to 100bb normal table , i cant image myself flat 2 streets with TTP in 3b pot on such board

for once i think you guys are wrong in bashing him here. really try and think about the hands that will get 350x in vs him. going for stacks on this board vs the guys go broke range is not a great idea. check raising the turn and trying to bomb the river is folding out the strong value hands that you beat. people just dont call off AA or AK that way, and sometimes they just check back the turn. not to mention this strengthens his c/c range as it often looks like he has AK or AQ and is going to c/c and fold a later street.

trolala i agree that getting in 350x is bad here, but you have to worry about being OOP and missing value. i think the line i would take would be c/c flop, lead turn to prevent someone with AA or AK from just checking back and taking a cheaper showdown. of course you could also do the c/c, check and if he checks back 2x pot good rivers, but i prefer the lead turn line.

leading flop is also a pretty good option. but in general this hand shows the problem of being OOP. you have a very strong hand in a spot where you cant play it aggressively because you only get lots of action from hands that dominate you, so its hard to get value. when you are 300+bb deep oop vs a tough player in PLO, you should really leave the table as theres no way you are still a winner in the game. maybe the same might be true in NL as well

c/c lead turn is a very weak line now a days imo. Your always getting bombed on the turn by ak aq AA any semi bluff. Because your hand is always going to look like a draw to him, so your stuck making a hero call on the river. This is such a clear fold pre. Your preflop mistakes most likely cost you so much of your winrate trolala. Given that preflop is mostly a 'solved' game at midstakes.. If you ever plan on moving up successfully, you need to iron out all of these pre mistakes.

lol@ folding pre

suited connector > AA 350bb deep

not a KQ suited connector. Its a shit sc vs villains range. Are you guys serious?

Interesting that you think c/c lead turn is a weak line handbanana. When the board gets too shitty it just seems that there's no real other option in 3bet pots...