all players but SB (tag ss, 0/8 squeeze) are fish. MP has same decent pf numbers (31/24) but his postflop play is quite retarded (cbets close to 100%, strange bet sizings and hates folding).

I 3bet pre here some times, but given the table I didn't mind playing multiway and not likely to get squeezed. (might still be better to 3bet this hand with unknown fish behind me, easier to play..)

flop - his cbet is pretty weak on this super coordinated flop, but he can bet even hands like over pairs that way. was thinking about raising, but than I clicked call..

what do you guys think about the hand?

basically it's pretty tempting to raise every street but with your reads i think you played fine, river might be a fold though not sure.

i would still probably raise flop if it wasn't for the shortstack left to act behind you since you likely have the best hand but it's pretty vulnerable and your implied odds are shit, but if SS shoves over your raise (and MP folds) you'd be in a pretty gross spot where you're possibly committed to calling his shove assuming the range of a random 74bb stack there is somewhat erratic, even though you'd obviously almost always have the worst hand.

turn seems standard, not a good spot to semibluff vs a station, but you can probably still plan on bluffing a few rivers you miss if he checks to you in addition to your actual outs.

river is just a spot where if he was exploiting this betsize close to optimally you could argue for a call, but it's so uncommon for people to bluff this way in this spot i would probably only call if i've seen him bluff like this before. the only thing that makes me second-guess folding river is that it makes so much more sense for him to c-c with marginal top/midpair hands like T9/A8/etc. than it does to bet small like this, and if you take those sort of hands out of his range it becomes a snap with the odds you're getting.

Raise river, turn ur hand into a bluff. Raising turn is also viable

On April 06 2012 10:31 bigredhoss wrote: i would still probably raise flop if it wasn't for the shortstack left to act behind you since you likely have the best hand but it's pretty vulnerable and your implied odds are shit, but if SS shoves over your raise (and MP folds) you'd be in a pretty gross spot where you're possibly committed to calling his shove assuming the range of a random 74bb stack there is somewhat erratic, even though you'd obviously almost always have the worst hand.

agree, w/o the fish yet to act behind me its better to raise flop.

river is just a spot where if he was exploiting this betsize close to optimally you could argue for a call, but it's so uncommon for people to bluff this way in this spot i would probably only call if i've seen him bluff like this before. the only thing that makes me second-guess folding river is that it makes so much more sense for him to c-c with marginal top/midpair hands like T9/A8/etc. than it does to bet small like this, and if you take those sort of hands out of his range it becomes a snap with the odds you're getting.

need to be good here around 20% - its pretty close he might be betting some busted draw some times even with this retarded sizing + like u said they like to x/call riv with some not so strong 1pair hand, but much more likely its some kind of block bet w made hand

I think raising riv on this board vs this player type is burning money