I think your play is better in a deep stack situation where your going to have much more fold equity post flop.

I mean you sort of just want your opponent to fold pre flop and if they don't you want them to fold post flop right? if their getting 5:1 post flop.. that's not going to happen very often. Basically you want your opponents to make incorrect folds in PLO and your hand is much easier to play post flop deep stack then AAxx. So you want to be the aggressor+have a hand that plays post flop well in deepish pots = reason to 4 bet pre with these type of hands.

I mean your hand is good but the top 15% of hands has a 20% equity edge on you so getting in 52% of your stack pre is likely a bad idea when you consider how few flops their folding.

I'm not sure on the exact numbers on this, but if your putting 30-40% (assuming your opponent has same stack size) of your stack in pre you really need to have the top 5% of hands or so or the pre flop equities just work against you too hard and it's really hard for your opponents to make a mistake/bad fold post flop. Conversely if your putting 30-40% of your stack in pre with AAxx, you should pretty much never be folding post flop.

If this was NL holdem would you want to be putting in half your stack with T9s?

On April 09 2012 10:12 DaEm0niCuS wrote: If this was NL holdem would you want to be putting in half your stack with T9s?

lol this analogy is totally stupid , sorry. (No I will not explain why , seriously Oo)
but yeah there is no reason to 4bet your hand OP

It's the exact same principle/idea, I don't see how it's stupid.

In case Op is interested , I c/c my pm:

Seriously ?? ...
Tc8h7s9c 40.92% 244,485 2,101
AA** 59.08% 353,414 2,101


JTs 28% against JJ+AK 31% against JJ+AQ+

Tc8h7s9c support a 5bet , JTs don't

Basically the main reason you don't want to 4bet a rundown is because a rundown play perfectly on the flop you hit or fail hard the flop.
(and the reason you 3bet them is because it plays better on increased pots)

Your analogy with T9s was way off.
Seriously ...


edit: equity rundown double suited against AAxy =
Tc8s7s9c 44.06% 263,396 1,933
AA** 55.94% 334,671 1,933

Medium suited connecting hands have a higher average post flop equity in both PLO and NL than many better hands that are unsuited/less connected, they are also less like to run into dominated situations in 3/4 bet pots. This makes the hands easier to play profitably post flop.

"Tc8h7s9c support a 5bet , JTs don't"

I don't see how 5 betting either of those hands would be good. Did you mean 4bet?

"Basically the main reason you don't want to 4bet a rundown is because a rundown play perfectly on the flop you hit or fail hard the flop."

4 betting run downs is good and the reason is because your average flop equity is incredibly high and your taking over the aggression. However if 4 betting means putting half your stack in pre vs a better range of hands with close to zero fold equity post flop then the play becomes bad. ( this is what happened in the above hand )


"(and the reason you 3bet them is because it plays better on increased pots)"

What? care to elaborate on that?