28/20 donkbet 9% over 16k, 130 deep, everything missed on the river , ship call or fold

a worse hand doesnt rly call a shove , so that leaves call right ?

his range is 44 TT QJs KQs AT imo.
only AT call a shove imo so yes call.

never fold, very close between others. i think i almost always call here, but coming from PLO i might miss some value

44 and 1010 don't call a shove here when he has put in over half his stack? I think this is a shove and I don't think it is close.

^ I was thinking shove as well.

guys I don't understand how this is a topic of contention, do you really not shove here? I know this is above me and I don't want to sound like pokraight but does he not call with a lot more when half his stack is committed.

Pffth, Shove, something might happen lol

On April 09 2012 13:26 rememp wrote: guys I don't understand how this is a topic of contention, do you really not shove here? I know this is above me and I don't want to sound like pokraight but does he not call with a lot more when half his stack is committed.

Well call with 44 and TT here without a solid read hero is spewy is a big mistake imo

Even though your thought process is good and awesome, he doesn't have the same. I'm sure there's some chance he might think ur bluffing, or that he'll just call with something you'll lol about.

On April 09 2012 13:40 waga wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2012 13:26 rememp wrote: guys I don't understand how this is a topic of contention, do you really not shove here? I know this is above me and I don't want to sound like pokraight but does he not call with a lot more when half his stack is committed. Well call with 44 and TT here without a solid read hero is spewy is a big mistake imo

it is, but who says people always make the right play? i pride myself on making strong reads in spots where others just click call, but i dont think id fold TT 100% here to a minraise more. really think its very close and i think in theory the correct play is to call, but dont be at all surprised if you shove and someone calls with AK on autopilot or something

i agree its rly close, and oponent dependant, i called him this time

i think vs chex it's a shove, would just call vs some of the better regs though.

lol wtf is wrong with u guys this is a super easy shove?

ok maybe not super easy but i think its ridiculous not to shove here

it's not 2005 anymore you know ...
I'm more on the shove wagon now because vilain can be bad.
But if vilain is competent it's a call imo.

It's really close and if you think it's a fist pump easy shove you don't have played nlhe for a long time

this is one of the easist shoves ive ever seen, anything else is really bad

On April 09 2012 16:10 waga wrote: it's not 2005 anymore you know ... I'm more on the shove wagon now because vilain can be bad. But if vilain is competent it's a call imo. It's really close and if you think it's a fist pump easy shove you don't have played nlhe for a long time

this is completley absurd

are you guys all trolling?

Well what's his donkbetting range and calling range on the river then ?

On April 09 2012 16:21 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2012 16:10 waga wrote: it's not 2005 anymore you know ... I'm more on the shove wagon now because vilain can be bad. But if vilain is competent it's a call imo. It's really close and if you think it's a fist pump easy shove you don't have played nlhe for a long time this is completley absurd are you guys all trolling?

Every time TT is on the same page with me it makes me happy.

I often think TTs advices are to aggressive for many players, but this time i totally agree, wtf at not shoving? 130bb is not deep, how does 44 and 1010 not call?

wtf shove we sucked out...time to get paid.