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If he's any type of reg he's showing up with 45ss or 3 combos of jj which he might raise on the turn. I mean maybe he slowplays kk??

I think he has enough air in his range that you need to call even ~240bb deep.

Take it with a grain of salt, I play below nl200.

your range is soooo strong i dont think he is ever bluffing this

snap call

flop raise is too small imo

stats: hes quite nitty, and likes to check back alot of flops, prob has a cbet of like 50% or something (i have a smallish sample - few hundo hands) - this is rusher poker also
yeah i felt the same way, i dont even think he has KK or JJ here when he does this as weird as that feels. Feels exactly like 9T and nothing else, *maybe* sometimes the KK JJ hands but not as often. Results: i tanked for ages and folded

how can you put T9 in his range?

However it might be 54

Interesting hand.. would 9T peel the flop? and turn too, I guess double gutshot implied odds with a disgused draw make it ok to peel, still seems loose for a nit though.
That said, its just that nits dont bluff eh. so he has to be valuebetting worse and thats hard to see. so probably a good fold, one I would find hard to make. I think KK is likely, nits love to slowplay and trap, desperate to get value.

$294 tocall /$656 in pot = 30.4% need to be winning 30% of the time. In this kinda spot have you seen nits show up with a bluff or a too-thin vbet more than 3 out of ten times.

heh, actually... thinking about it could run a filter to answer this in PT/HEM if you have a bigt database. Filter for low VPIP and for river shoves that got called, and see what they are showing up with.

maybe im a nit but i fold also

SOOOOOOOPER easy call. Guy is a loon and would do this with air.

On April 14 2012 22:42 Maynard! wrote: SOOOOOOOPER easy call. Guy is a loon and would do this with air.

and how does he get to the river with air...

BC he double floated you bc hes mad. But seriously I can see this guy turning a hand into a bluff here very often.

I assume u know the guy? cuz with dryath's current information it looks like a clear fold

On April 14 2012 21:42 Trolala wrote: how can you put T9 in his range? However it might be 54

?? flop and turn call with T9 here is 100% standard with stack sizes + position

I think this is a preety easy fold vs most players, i'd need a super star read to call here

interesting flop raise, am i the only one who likes to flat here and raise turns? can't you rep more air/drawy hands that way?

On April 14 2012 21:10 dryath wrote: stats: hes quite nitty, and likes to check back alot of flops, prob has a cbet of like 50% or something (i have a smallish sample - few hundo hands) - this is rusher poker also yeah i felt the same way, i dont even think he has KK or JJ here when he does this as weird as that feels. Feels exactly like 9T and nothing else, *maybe* sometimes the KK JJ hands but not as often. Results: i tanked for ages and folded

Would he call the raise on the flop with a gutshot?

Hmm, Maybe he has a K, and picked up a flush draw, and on your river bet he felt he was fucked, but he decided to make it to a bluff lol.

Gut says fold though, but it sounds more exciting to "analyze" and find a call lol

In my experience, a raise is almost always the nuts though.

im sure everybody who said snap call would snap fold KJ in this spot

On April 14 2012 23:06 Fayth wrote: I assume u know the guy? cuz with dryath's current information it looks like a clear fold

Ya. Dude pulled somewhat similar trick on me twice when we were 2-3 BI deep. First time I almost folded a boat second time I snapped with a set (I looked weaker). One time he had a pair turned bluff and the other time he had K high.

Some people spaz deep.

radje got nitty? he used to be pretty crazy...

probably dont pot the river.

seems like a pretty normal fold if hes nitty at all

Flop raise is imo too small.
9Ts, or 9Td easily can call flop w/backdoor flush, and also turn picking up double gutter

i dunno how often hes bluffing here i would assume never but he has every combo of KK here raising at any other point in the hand with KK on this board is retarded

On April 14 2012 23:50 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2012 21:42 Trolala wrote: how can you put T9 in his range? However it might be 54 ?? flop and turn call with T9 here is 100% standard with stack sizes + position I think this is a preety easy fold vs most players, i'd need a super star read to call here

exactly T9 is for sure in his range with a lose call on the flop with outs and steal opportunities and he obv aint going to fold when he turns a double gutter