so this is a good decent winning reg. he is pretty agressive who 3 barrels over 55% of the time , so against this guy is we gonna ch raise turn or ch call ch shove the river ? ch raise turn is prolly better right

I don't get it, why would you raise turn ?

I like raising. Can't run the risk of him checking behind and by raising you're repping a very narrow valuerange so he's gonna think you're FOS often or at least not get away with an overpair.

i did go for the ch call ch raise line... maybe im result oriented or sumtin ? so this is a clear ch call ch shove river huh ?

On May 21 2012 18:43 Twisted wrote: I like raising. Can't run the risk of him checking behind and by raising you're repping a very narrow valuerange so he's gonna think you're FOS often or at least not get away with an overpair.

Idk man I guess it depends on how tight both our and his preflop range is since he is good
because it seems to me that whenever someone raises repping very few hands out of the blue it rings danger bells to a good player instead of doubt (if he thinks we're not rndm morons). There's no real draws we can have on this board (overs or turning a low pp into a bluff?) and he is utg. Will he think it's a random spazz? If he has 1010/JJ he may even give up putting us on a bigger pair slowplayed preflop (and we lose his third barel and the additional psychological factor of him "investing more" in the pot when we raise river). If he 3 barels regularly as a bluff we also want to let him do it... If we were so concerned that he checks back river we could also lead turn + river which also leaves (a bit of) room for "you're FOS/weak" bluff raises from his part. But I can't see why c/c turn c/shove river vs described villain isn't the better choice. I also have consumed alcohol so maybe this is completely wrong, I'll check again tomorrow lol

i hate raising turn a lot oO

i don't see what value hands villain would check back river besides maybe 66-88? you also shut out 3-barrel bluffs. i think it's important to note that if villain has air on turn with this sizing that he's ALWAYS firing river.

also from villain's perspective, i think the fact that hero doesn't rep anything with turn c/r is outweighed by the fact that a relatively tight straight-forward reg (hero) at 200nl never takes this line as a bluff imo

yeah not c/r the turn you miss stacking 66-88 if he wants to go into hero mode. 9x or better hes still betting every non ace river so i dont think you have to worry about missing value plus you get him to bluff if he really 3 brls 55% of the time. plus he can get there with some random overcards on a good river. no one folds anymore so you'll probably just stack him no matter what you do if he has anything tbh

appretiate the analysis , thanks guys

against some1 good that are gonna valuebet 77 3 streets here everytime even on JQK rivers maybe A rivers it dosnt matter to much, u dont rep to much by raising turn or riv then

in general i like raising turn against the ones i dont respect to much cuz they make these random chbacks on Q rivs with 9x (alot of these regs excist on 5/10 id expect them to be fairly frequent on 1/2)

but this is def not a spot u have to worry about at all, it comes down more to ur dynamic with that guy, if he thinks ur gonna call A high and fold river here, or 66 /what ever bluffcatcher

point aka how often u think he is gonna bluff the river to get u to fold A highs/66 type hands then its better to let him bluff, because against a thin valuebetting reg u wont lose value by calling as previous ppl said

Turn thought: what about a really small lead, to induce a raise?