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i think his range on turn is pretty strong, when barreling with 2 players still in the hand.

looks like a fold to me
he never bluff imo in this spot.

I mean you've got a lot of J in your range why would he bluff the worst card ever ?

not sure if serious...just click call?

wtf?

i don't think i've ever folded here but it might be worth stoving

ill never understand how you can fold here. I assume you called and you were beat?

Against certain opponents you could probably consider a fold here. We lose to QQ, 33, QJ, split w/ other Js...just a matter of finding the break point for his bluff %, KT and spades being most likely...though he'll often check turn give 3-way pot. His bet-sizing is the most interesting part of the hand for me - that's what I'd take a note on. Jx is a big part of your range, which I assume he knows, and I also doubt he's ever expecting you to fold it. Overbet in this spot is perfect with Jx+.

On June 22 2012 11:17 Robinson47 wrote: ill never understand how you can fold here. I assume you called and you were beat?

Hero call a scary turn 3way.
His range is uber strong.
river is a perfect card for hero range and still vilain shove. (overbet)

basically vilain's %bluff is really really low.
he has somthing like 11 combos of Jx we split (4 AJ , 4KJ , 3 JT)
5 combos that beat us. (33 , QQx2 , QJ x2)

The more I think about this hand the more I think it's a call , but it's defintely not a fist pump call

you mean 3 combos of QQ and 3 of QJ not 2 right ?

yup sorry

never said it was a fist pump call. can he never have TsKs 9sTs AsTs? I can't believe I've bitten to this WUM

On June 22 2012 15:36 Robinson47 wrote: never said it was a fist pump call. can he never have TsKs 9sTs AsTs? I can't believe I've bitten to this WUM

that would be a suicidal bluff, cause a Jack is a very big part of my range.

fwiw, i called and he showed QQ. villain plays pretty nitty according to his stats and also from what i have seen postflop. i think folding isn't terrible vs somebody who is nitty and doesn't really get to creative postflop, considering the way the hand played out, since we are only calling for a split, since i think the likelihood of him bluffing in this spot is basically non existent.

On June 22 2012 11:23 Pillars wrote: Against certain opponents you could probably consider a fold here. We lose to QQ, 33, QJ, split w/ other Js...just a matter of finding the break point for his bluff %, KT and spades being most likely...though he'll often check turn give 3-way pot. His bet-sizing is the most interesting part of the hand for me - that's what I'd take a note on. Jx is a big part of your range, which I assume he knows, and I also doubt he's ever expecting you to fold it. Overbet in this spot is perfect with Jx+.

yea i took note of the betsizing. good point