ugh some random swede, raised pretty fast, wtf

Isn't this just a guessing spot without reads? I have no clue how to approach this spot.

Value range: all sets and, 42 and 97.
Bluffing range: random Axs, 56s, JTs and similar type hands.

Combo wise I have no clue how to which type of hands are more numerous but prob about even.

Considering he's a Swede call turn call non diamond river?
Sorry for posting I'm sure I've offered 0 insight but just wanted to see what other people think

flat flop? not sure why you would raise, he would have to be a big fish/whale for that to be good.

On July 01 2012 15:38 casinocasino wrote: flat flop? not sure why you would raise, he would have to be a big fish/whale for that to be good.

he bet 28 into 110 i think raising is pretty standard. as played fuck your life.

dunno how to fold vs swedes but pretty gross spot, i'd prob lay it down and give him credit for 97s/sets

i dont mind getting it in here his line is just too weird to be a set. why is he c/r us here with a set when we clearly are setting up for a river shove?

feels like some random shit that picked up diamonds tbh. he also closed the action pf for a 3 way 3b pot super deep vs a small 3b so his range is fuck all, much wider than pps here.

I know what he bet, it makes no sense.. the default is not to raise with AA and find out.. just flat, make decisions on the turn

im not folding in this spot obviously, just call and call river.. unless u have some timing read to fold it

On July 01 2012 15:44 casinocasino wrote: I know what he bet, it makes no sense.. the default is not to raise with AA and find out.. just flat, make decisions on the turn

u cant just let ppl bet 1/5 pot every street and get away with it and then let them bet huge when bad cards get there and then decide whether to call or fold. raising for value here has got to be the right play.

why would you flat a nothing bet? are you checking back if he checked to us?

i mean unless u know he is tricky/good and will always be putting u in tough spots on the turn i dont see how raising flop can not be good.

i flat because i can play turn and river way more profitably then putting him to a decision with his range on the flop

like i said before he would have to be a donk/whale/station for me to raise this for value, otherwise i will take any other hand im 3 betting him with and do it with that. AA is like 90/10 vs his range here, you also got one other dood behind you, whos range you also crush.

i dont know guys but this spots not even close for me

interesting 3bet size. people will overcall that 3bet with hands like 77 all the time at deep tables. he could have anything here, pure air, even spazzing with JJ/QQ. His line doesn't look credible and there are a million other ways he could have played a set, congrats to him if he has one.

On July 01 2012 15:53 casinocasino wrote: i flat because i can play turn and river way more profitably then putting him to a decision with his range on the flop like i said before he would have to be a donk/whale/station for me to raise this for value, otherwise i will take any other hand im 3 betting him with and do it with that. AA is like 90/10 vs his range here, you also got one other dood behind you, whos range you also crush. i dont know guys but this spots not even close for me

yea this logic is quite sound. i still like raising tho. maybe its cause im a live pro now T_T

On July 01 2012 15:53 casinocasino wrote: i flat because i can play turn and river way more profitably then putting him to a decision with his range on the flop like i said before he would have to be a donk/whale/station for me to raise this for value, otherwise i will take any other hand im 3 betting him with and do it with that. AA is like 90/10 vs his range here, you also got one other dood behind you, whos range you also crush. i dont know guys but this spots not even close for me

it's much more likely this person is a whale than anything else

I think this sort of a lead is a trademark move of a recreational player and we lose value by essentially checking back. I agree we lose some value by blowing the other guy out of the pot but I think in a spot like this we get way more value from this guy.


As for random shit picked up diamonds I think he would weak lead/call or just c/c rather than raise and plus I have the Ad -.-

Given you folded turn, I like it.

if he sucks i think this is a pretty easy get it in.

if its some normal reg its a pretty easy fold

On July 01 2012 15:40 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 15:38 casinocasino wrote: flat flop? not sure why you would raise, he would have to be a big fish/whale for that to be good. he bet 28 into 110 i think raising is pretty standard. as played fuck your life.

so this guy is likely a fish and we 3bet from 12 to 36 250bbs deep at 2/4? EXPLAIN T_T unless he could be a reg which im not exactly sure what u think he is by saying random. as played i like it. fold turn most likely. unless u have a read

You should just call when he donks into you. Not like you are worried about any turn cards beating your, nor should you be worried about getting additional value from hands you are beating -- you'll get that on later streets particularly when you have more information.

After he donk/calls flop and c/r turn your hand is toast.

On July 01 2012 15:42 n0rthf4ce wrote: i dont mind getting it in here his line is just too weird to be a set. why is he c/r us here with a set when we clearly are setting up for a river shove?

you are leveling yourself, dude.

This is a set!!!!!!!

No reads? Random swede?

3bet bigger PF, raise flop, on the turn I'm torn between tank/shipping and call/evaluate

I expect to see 99+, 2pair/draw sometimes depending on the opponent

What about kings?

this is most definitely a set

i think i'm calling flop here 9000% of time to keep our range less polar and keep the other idiot in / possibly get more info.

Alright to clarify preflop I dont know anything about this guy, had I known or suspected hes a fish Id bomb it. Im experimenting with going smaller IP since all the cool kids are doing it.
On the flop once he leads this small I feel its reasonable to assume hes likely a fish and go for value, I mean you guys would flat 20 too? how about 12 or 8? do you check back had he checked to us?

I think once u raise the flop u can't fold. Not sure if hes s reg but In his perspective, ur raise on flop would be suspect specially with one more person left to act this deep. If I was the villain with 56 or A5cc I'd take the same line as him since ur value range is capped to one pair when I can credibly rep set all day.

Well if he is a mark, raising flop or calling would have to do alot with how much u know about the third guy. It opens ur self to getting outplayed. If SB is a hard hitter, he can cold call ur raise and bomb the turn forcing u in a tougher spot with all his range

looks pretty strong to me.

Surprised by discussion here. Without reads this is VERY EASY fold on turn...you ever heard of baluga theorem?

On July 02 2012 04:57 heroSOT wrote: Surprised by discussion here. Without reads this is VERY EASY fold on turn...you ever heard of baluga theorem?

baluga theorem has been out of date for some time now.

he played it like a set !

On July 02 2012 04:57 heroSOT wrote: Surprised by discussion here. Without reads this is VERY EASY fold on turn...you ever heard of baluga theorem?

Thank you for arrogantly dismissing 2 pages of discussion by quoting some prehistorical poker theory.

results?

holy shit i forgot how to play poker

On July 02 2012 14:24 Bigbobm wrote: holy shit i forgot how to play poker

not really, the only problem with the hand is stack sizes. This hand is a really cool demonstration of how awesome and complex deep stack poker is