i suspect that he is strong since he bombed the turn. Is anything worse gonna call my ship ? just flatting seems kind of nitty ... ship or call ?

??? allllll in

On July 09 2012 14:52 Eluflop wrote: i suspect that he is strong since he bombed the turn. Is anything worse gonna call my ship ? just flatting seems kind of nitty ... ship or call ?

they snap call me with QQ+ and even AJ
it depends how agressive your are , only you can tell if they call with worse

I think its kinda hard to say without reads, both can be fine. Definitely a lot of worse hands that can call but if you dont really know if 57s and 97o are in his range and how often uhh like I said its close. fwiw I dont think he bombs the turn with Q9, maybe Qd9d but even that is a bit unusual.

now that i have given it some thought i think a shove is way better than a flat call.

On July 09 2012 15:09 collegesucks wrote: ??? allllll in

I hate those comments...
OP is better than you , no it's not close , he post a hand and ask for serious answer.
I'm sure a reply like " lolz 2pair wtf man ? arrrrrrin" is not the kind of answer he's looking for

I probably should not post when I'm drunk but it pisses me off...

I snap shove but it's not my point.

i just call but im a nit

top 2 BB vs SB...
hard hand

On July 09 2012 15:47 waga wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2012 15:09 collegesucks wrote: ??? allllll in I hate those comments... OP is better than you , no it's not close , he post a hand and ask for serious answer. I'm sure a reply like " lolz 2pair wtf man ? arrrrrrin" is not the kind of answer he's looking for I probably should not post when I'm drunk but it pisses me off...

??? lol relax bro

meh, its hard to imagine a reg calling with worse if we shove.

On July 09 2012 16:06 Syntax wrote: meh, its hard to imagine a reg calling with worse if we shove.

obv if we always flat here then its clear hes never callingw ith worse

It really depends how wide are you calling 2 barrels - do you double float often, can you call with naked fd+over or sth and then bluff shove river and the most important thing, does your opponent even thinks about it.
The only strange thing is his bet size, he bets only ~1/2 on the flop and then bombs on the turn.
I actually think on turn it's more of a vbet with straight, strong T, hand similar to yours, pair+picked up draw or maybe weird played overpair (doubt that tho) or full of shit bluff (big bet to make you fold after he put you on weaker hand, because you just flatted on the flop).

I will just shoot that he got sth like AJ and his thought procces goes like that:
- flop - i bet small because i got nothing and i don't want to invest too much.
- turn - i bet big, because he called my weak hand therefore he is not strong.
- river - i peeled a TPTK and now i want value from his bluffcatchers and maybe induce a shove from missed draws.

So I would shove.

However the turn big bet also could indicate a strong hand, depending on the player, so dunno haha

no offense but is this a joke

RAISE DUH

On July 09 2012 15:47 waga wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2012 15:09 collegesucks wrote: ??? allllll in I hate those comments... OP is better than you , no it's not close , he post a hand and ask for serious answer. I'm sure a reply like " lolz 2pair wtf man ? arrrrrrin" is not the kind of answer he's looking for I probably should not post when I'm drunk but it pisses me off...

bra have you seen his 1/2 live hourly?

On July 09 2012 16:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2012 16:06 Syntax wrote: meh, its hard to imagine a reg calling with worse if we shove. obv if we always flat here then its clear hes never callingw ith worse

he doesnt know what Hero calls with. If he calls and then get a similar spot again, then he probably shouldnt shove vs the same guy

On July 09 2012 18:14 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2012 16:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On July 09 2012 16:06 Syntax wrote: meh, its hard to imagine a reg calling with worse if we shove. obv if we always flat here then its clear hes never callingw ith worse he doesnt know what Hero calls with. If he calls and then get a similar spot again, then he probably shouldnt shove vs the same guy

not true

if hero calls here, it doesnt mean he cant bluffshove river
it means his river shoves are more polarized, hero doesnt have 2pairs but can have bluffs in the river shoving range

in villain's spot, I'd much rather herocall a shove vs a guy who doesn't shove JT than vs a guy who shoves JT

Our range is pretty capped here, making JT the strongest hand we can have except Q9dd or Q9cc.
We have very few value-hands that would take this line and shove river.

That said, for a shove to be better than a call he has to call a shove with any two pair that gets to the river,
JJ+ and some one pair hands.

k gonna give THE answer
call if u feel its a call, shove if u feel its a shove
your subconscious is stronger than u think
might sounds stupid but your brain remember stuff that you dont

On July 09 2012 19:06 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2012 18:14 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On July 09 2012 16:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On July 09 2012 16:06 Syntax wrote: meh, its hard to imagine a reg calling with worse if we shove. obv if we always flat here then its clear hes never callingw ith worse he doesnt know what Hero calls with. If he calls and then get a similar spot again, then he probably shouldnt shove vs the same guy not true if hero calls here, it doesnt mean he cant bluffshove river it means his river shoves are more polarized, hero doesnt have 2pairs but can have bluffs in the river shoving range in villain's spot, I'd much rather herocall a shove vs a guy who doesn't shove JT than vs a guy who shoves JT

and why does this make what I said "not true" ?

ok, not necessarily true

hey. guy might have a straight. most times, not. stop fucking bitching.

in the long run, dick-heads will call you with over-pairs.. well, just cuz. lose a pot, and move on. next hand.

lolz 2pair wtf man ? arrrrrrin

allin but yeah sometimes you lose to sets and shit. much better to extract some value where you can

On July 09 2012 22:18 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: k gonna give THE answer call if u feel its a call, shove if u feel its a shove your subconscious is stronger than u think might sounds stupid but your brain remember stuff that you dont

That only depends on how good you are. If you take someone godlike in poker, his first thought, feeling, intuition will be really sick. But if he's struggling at the limit, a bit confused, the first reaction can often, and often is wrong.

Like a chessmaster can walk by someone playing, then lay out 5-6 sick strategies, ideas, tips, and they will all be nice, but no real effort, though behind it, just his expertise.