So pf, cuz the guy made it smallerish, I think call is ok, and position etc.

Flop, not sure what's best but I decided to call on the basis that I think the c/r guy is a bit of a clown and Ive seen him check turn after c/ring. So, then he does that and I realize im not sure if I should jam to protct or if Im just so invincible if hes fos that I dont mind a check.

Mm not sure

Also think that maybe just not deep enough to flat, which makes me think I sohuld either be happy about getting it in or checking behind which I think seems weak so I think its the former.

I think I will fold as played on his flop raise.I don`t see how we are ahead here.

I feel like it doesn't make sense to take a bet/fold line with a draw this strong -------- If we can't bet/call I think it has to be a check behind no?

not sure which is better depends on the opponents but I think that call his raise on the flop is the worse , fold or shove is much better.

Yes I agree there, I think the reasoning for calling (that he will check give up turn) doesnt apply so much with stacks this shallow and the fact that it's a 3bet pot etc. Also think I was feeling nitty this session and let it influence my decision, which I still do too much with regards to lines I take - know I gotta fix that (if I'm winning and it's late in the session I get passive always, if I'm losing I obviously get more gamble happy).

Thx btw

"if I'm winning and it's late in the session I get passive always, if I'm losing I obviously get more gamble happy " same with me ...
np

Isnt this a pretty shitty draw? I mean you can easily have the worst draw and the worst hand which afaik in plo is rly bad.

This hand preflop is one of the worst hands.

On the flop it's still shit cause queen high flush draws suck. If you hit a queen that completes the straight draw for wraps.

Good equity in PLO is when you have 14 outs and up. Here you have anywhere from 0 outs to 11

This looks like an easy check back.

If flush hits it's hard for him to bet on a bluff so you can safely fold if he bets.
If you get a good river card you can easy call his bet because it's so high frequency a bluff.


Basically you check here because he can't put you on a hand if you do so it's hard for him to ever bluff.

probably overlimp pf (folding is ok too obv), if ure tryin to iso why not go for a pot-sized raise?
as played its close between checking back and bet/folding (cant really bet get it in with these stacks)
knowin cbettin tendencies of pf 3bettor in 3way 3b pots would be really useful there (some ppl nvr c/r in these spots)
check back looks better in a vacuum tho
as played i wouldnt call the CR, thats how u lose 600bb pots lol

I thought its 50-1 , get in for 300 bb is the worse here.As played is fold as I told you already

Looks like I'm overvaluing op+fd a lot then, thx! I usually overlimp crappy queens but the limper was pretty bad so wanted to iso him.

This looks like an easy check back. If flush hits it's hard for him to bet on a bluff so you can safely fold if he bets. If you get a good river card you can easy call his bet because it's so high frequency a bluff.

Really, if we check back turn a flush and someone bets we have to fold O_O? That cant make sense, can it?

ya i dont agree with that at all unless vs uber nit

if you check back turn why would he bluff river flush i think

On August 19 2012 23:23 asdf2000 wrote: if you check back turn why would he bluff river flush i think

Oh I thought if we checked back flop you wanted us to fold the turn if we turned a flush. This makes somewhat more sense.

We valuebet if checked to tho right?