EDIT: Plz read my last comment as i said its only my opionion and im not a expert

I dont like it

We invested $177 to pot and now u want to pay 4000$ and we propably freeroling...
It is possible that he do it with worse hand when you are behind and you are so deep?
I dont think so... usually it will be same hand as our hand + propably some extra equity vs your hand.
I think its easy fold on turn but i dont play hs so...

I also dont like gavz line... how its possible that he dont bet this board with his small stack, when the raiser checked?

EDIT2: Ok "easy" was not a good word. Its not easy fold but still fold in my eyes.

thanks for your post
cant believe i paid 4 thousand dollars to see the last card either

very confused at gavz's check

rofl@makiboss wanting to fold the nuts+higher straight redraws with one card to come

lol I'm sure MakiBoss had good intentions but come on ... :D

On September 09 2012 12:21 MakiBoss wrote: I think its easy fold on turn

yeah turn is a super trivial fold, mipwnya? more liek midonkya

Well Well im not expert in PLO HS but i still dont like it. Because as i said before we have clean straight without redraws and its very plasible that ISILDRooN have same hand with some additional equity so in "MY OPINION" its very plassible we are freeroling for 6bi...

So...

waga dont blame me but u think its easy call with that stack sizes? Imo ISILDRooN know that we are behind and he will propably not potting it without nuts right? Especially 600bb deep
Rly guys... i dont play so high so in your eyes i can be a fish but still... when u look at stack sizes and money invested in pot ~200$ i cant be comfortable calling 400bb with this hand and no redraw because its very very very plasible we are freeroling...
Ok "fold easy" was not a good word. Its not easy fold but still fold in my eyes.

Or im wrong?
MiPwnYa? If u post plz take it seriously.
Or im totally idiot and i dont know what im talking about? Plz let me know some1 who playing mid/hs omaha
Thanks

Just do the math...we are splitting dead money x percent of the time.

On September 09 2012 14:48 MakiBoss wrote: without redraws

no

On September 09 2012 14:56 royalsu wrote: Just do the math...we are splitting dead money x percent of the time.

OK so its easy to put 600bb here right?

I think you should probably give Hero the benefit of the doubt here, maybe isildroon is a fish and has a wider range than you expect. I havent done the math but if we saw his actual hand this would probably be -EV so maybe its not that crazy to consider a fold but we dont really have all the info here as mipwnya does.

hero has a redraw ffs

I dont think youre an idiot at all maki
your post just showed a good deal of PLO cluelessness, hence the non serious reply : )
not even saying this isnt a close spot but when u start a post with "we invested $177 in the pot" you cant rly expect ppl to take u seriously lol
In all fairness you're right in questioning my play cuz its a close spot but you dont really look at the problem the right way and thus come to a wrong conclusion. You also failed to realize we got redraws, which makes it a stack off. Absent the redraw we got, indeed, an easy fold

Well you are right i said 177$ and it was my fault becaue i dont seen that u was flating open raise before, but still... ok we put about 220$.
I know we have a redraw but for me this redraw is just 2 outs, even if i dont seen the opponets hands i still think Qs,Qd are not your outs so our extra equity is very very low.

I seen this redraw before but when i siad "we have no redraws" i mean that no flushdraws there , i know we still have 2 clean outs Qs,Qh but as i said its very low additional equity here.

Ok now i know its stackoff for you with this redraw but im still not sure about this... but as i said im not playing hs so :D
Thank you for your answer.

My english is not good so meaby there is a point that my posts was not clear.

the problem isnt the $177 amount lol, its just that u dont "invest" in pots thats not how the game works : )

so in this exact spot you needed 41% but only had 35%. This is worst case scenario

Running it with A9s107x (all combos of 107) then this is 47%. So looks easily breakeven+++

On September 09 2012 15:34 MiPwnYa wrote: the problem isnt the $177 amount lol, its just that u dont "invest" in pots thats not how the game works : )

Ah thats the problem... i know what u mean but its a language problem, my english is bad thats why some words mean little else or similar for me.
Im sure that i know how game works

Ok thanks for your explanation.
Good luck at tables

maki ftw

The amount of money you put in the pot is always irrelevant. It's about effective stacks left compared to the pot. If you can get it in good it doesn't matter how much you've already put in there because the money in the pot is no longer yours.

On September 09 2012 15:26 MakiBoss wrote: I know we have a redraw but for me this redraw is just 2 outs, even if i dont seen the opponets hands i still think Qs,Qd are not your outs so our extra equity is very very low. I seen this redraw before but when i siad "we have no redraws" i mean that no flushdraws there , i know we still have 2 clean outs Qs,Qh but as i said its very low additional equity here.

any Q, T, or 7 would make hero a higher straight

cut

I gotta be honest I originally thought we only had the Q as a redraw ^^ plo is hard