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Handnr: 986627
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #86886813013: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/09/29 10:43:04 CET [2012/09/29 4:43:04 ET]
Table Gotha 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 00oasis00 ($215.14 in chips)
Seat 2: TianYuan ($486.79 in chips)
Seat 3: Dacalva145 ($99.56 in chips)
Seat 4: GungHoJoe777 ($401.43 in chips)
Seat 5: sharp ($144.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Pocket55ives ($231.82 in chips)
TianYuan: posts small blind $0.50
Dacalva145: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to TianYuan Jc8sTdQc
GungHoJoe777: raises $2.50 to $3.50
sharp: folds
Pocket55ives: folds
00oasis00: folds
TianYuan: calls $3
Dacalva145: folds

Flop (Pot : $8.00)

   4s8hTs
TianYuan: bets $7.50
GungHoJoe777: calls $7.50

Turn (Pot : $23.00)

   4s8hTs5c
TianYuan: bets $19
GungHoJoe777: raises $59.96 to $78.96
TianYuan: calls $59.96

River (Pot : $180.92)

   4s8hTs5c2d
TianYuan: checks
GungHoJoe777: bets $66
TianYuan: folds
Uncalled bet ($66) returned to GungHoJoe777
GungHoJoe777 collected $178.12 from pot
GungHoJoe777: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $180.92 | Rake $2.80
Board  4s8hTs5c2d
Seat 1: 00oasis00 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: TianYuan (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Dacalva145 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: GungHoJoe777 collected ($178.12)
Seat 5: sharp folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Pocket55ives folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Sep 29 2012 04:48. Posts 6817

Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

He snapcall flop and snap potted turn, same as when he had AA preflop earlier, and he does pot his good hands.... Is it ok to call for implied given we have a gutshot too?

Ugh maybe that's spewey >_< Especially since Im not sure what I'd do on a spade 9

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lacman730   United States. Sep 29 2012 05:40. Posts 311

if i did the math correctly you would need 17% on the turn if opponent pays of a pot sized river bet every time you hit the river. your hand has 18% vs 76, so if you're playing your hand strictly for implied odds its obviously going to be a losing play. you might be able to justify the turn call with plans to bluff spade rivers assuming his range is dominated by 76 here.


TianYuan    Korea (South). Sep 29 2012 05:47. Posts 6817

I think if he folds to flush cards im not gonna get a pot bet when I bet my boat anyway, so its probably just a straight fold. Gross.

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lacman730   United States. Sep 29 2012 08:30. Posts 311

the thing is if you had the Qs instead of the Qc, you're 36% on the turn against 76 and calling a potsized raise profitably even if opponent never pays you off on the river when you make your hand.

so basically if you include spades as part of your "bluff outs" and opponent folds every time on a spade river, you don't even need to get paid off on any of your real outs to make the turn call profitable.

obviously the problem is that sometimes opponent will have spades himself and you'll get owned, but the fact that you will occasionally get paid off on your real outs, combined with the fact that your bluff on a spade doesn't have to be big to get a fold (what else are you calling a pot sized raise with on the turn? flushdraw is the first thing he's going to put you on) means this is probably a +ev play.


TianYuan    Korea (South). Sep 30 2012 10:26. Posts 6817

Hm I think it's risky as hell to bluff small on a flushing river, pretty sure if I bet 66 he'd be like "GOD DAMNIT" and call his 67 way more than I want him to >_<

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