Feels like you raised pot, and he was freerolling xD

As I did look some odds, I will put it here. Certainly useless for you joe, but maybe interesting for other noobs like me.
Against TTJQ, you are 67,5% favorite.
Against TTJhQh, you are 52,51% favorite.

Obviously, it doesn't help a lot without defining a range. But I would say that you are favorite against allmost all his range, so you just have to raise enough to make it a marginally +ev call for him (for sets or fd).

Again, I'm a total noob at plo, but that would be my reasoning just considering numbers.

thats what i was trying to figure out king, i think pot too much where he folds sets and not sure if calls with combo set/fd which he runs good so usually has here but i like to gamble so I dont mind him calling but think ends up folding on the river tho if choose to bet

I vote raise big. How big? not sure but there doesn't seem to be another play, when four people see the flop you just ABC it up.

yea I'm def going to raise this deep but question is what size and why i guess. Still not sure with the stacks the size they are

isn't that a completely shit hand?

ok so if i go on with the same odds.
pot is 860$
being a 67,5% favorite, for him to be neutral ev, pot has to be less than 414$ more
being a 52,51% favorite, less than 777$ more.

Being oop, and the fact that he will consider implied odds make me think that the bet has
to be more towards 777$ more, so 380+770=1150 which is more than a pot raise.
I guess almost pot raise may be considered.

formula :
Y what you bet, X your odds, and pot here 860
his ev=X*(pot)+(1-X)*(-Y) so if you want it to be marginal +ev, Y>(X/(1-X))*Pot

I just call coz you'll have a hard time playing a heart / J / Q / K / pair-board river

On October 14 2012 10:33 T8Suited wrote: I just call coz you'll have a hard time playing a heart / J / Q / K / pair-board river

thats what i thought

all i know is before i click on a joe hand i am praying that yousseff makes a cameo and close it if he doesnt