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Handnr: 988486
Submitted by : hording

***** Hand History for Game 1838030126 ***** Boss
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 14, 11:20:32 ET 2012
Table Cleopatra 3 Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: zryan $299.25 USD
Seat 2: Hero $1621.48 USD
Seat 3: ramasi $773.75 USD
Seat 4: karlbertil $796.00 USD
Seat 5: PhilipIvey $361.00 USD
karlbertil posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
PhilipIvey posts big blind [$4.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [JcKs ]
zryan calls [$4.00 USD]
Hero raises [$18.00 USD]
ramasi calls [$18.00 USD]
karlbertil folds
PhilipIvey folds
zryan calls [$14.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $60.00)

   2s8sTs
zryan checks
Hero bets [$36.00 USD]
ramasi calls [$36.00 USD]
zryan calls [$36.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $168.00)

   2s8sTsQs
zryan checks
Hero bets [$84.00 USD]
ramasi calls [$84.00 USD]
zryan raises [$245.25 USD]

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hording   Sweden. Oct 14 2012 19:23. Posts 474

zryan is a fish, but have a reg behind me, yaaaaay

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barbieman   Sweden. Oct 14 2012 19:45. Posts 2132

if he's a fish, isn't he likely to have every As in his range? and ramasi probably has Js or As. not that shitty of a spot


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Oct 14 2012 20:08. Posts 8649


  On October 14 2012 18:45 barbieman wrote:
if he's a fish, isn't he likely to have every As in his range? and ramasi probably has Js or As. not that shitty of a spot


+1, trivial fold

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MakiBoss   . Oct 14 2012 20:12. Posts 164

easy fold i dont see anybody here to do it with Js etc.

 Last edit: 14/10/2012 20:13

Mardagg   Germany. Oct 14 2012 20:22. Posts 843

i dont agree with the above 3 posts.
Looking at stack sizes i think that its not unlikely that the fish(zryan) being all in here with his less than 100bb stack is doing some aggro move here/or bad play with 2 pair/set/flopped lower flush.Depends a lot on what type of fish he is though .
The other reg is deep as well.Yes he can have As,but i am sure he calls as well with several other hands,like sets or Js.
I wouldnt fold.

 Last edit: 14/10/2012 20:24

asdf2000   United States. Oct 14 2012 21:30. Posts 7695

i think this is tough :/

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Oct 14 2012 21:49. Posts 8649

yea trivial was probably too strong

still think it's a fold

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lebowski   Greece. Oct 14 2012 22:03. Posts 9205

so you guys who think this is tough are saying that you auto-assume a fish with 75bbs decides to overplay 2 pair or a set by shoving ~50ish of those bbs vs 2 ppl already in the pot who could very easily both have the nuts (on the scariest most obvious board there is even for people who just learned the game).
Don't you think that this is a lot of assumptions with no info or that such a level of aggro stupidity would have shined a bit earlier in the session or something?
Info on the reg is also important and non existent
easy fold

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

player999   Brasil. Oct 14 2012 22:16. Posts 7978


  On October 14 2012 21:03 lebowski wrote:
easy fold

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

asdf2000   United States. Oct 15 2012 00:11. Posts 7695

480 in pot 180 to call

just sayin
there's gonna be plenty of times I would call a player here and have it be profitable..

Grindin so hard, Im smashin pussies left and right. 

Arirang   Canada. Oct 15 2012 02:48. Posts 1673

Oof.. annoying because you put in quite a bit of money into this pot.. but the fact that reg is in position, and that him being this deep scares me.. fold .. i guess..Q_Q..


hording   Sweden. Oct 15 2012 04:18. Posts 474

Hmm ok, opinions certainly differ..

Personally I think it's a fistpump call if it wasn't for the reg behind us, fish is 67/5 and yea he might be on the passive side but I can see him calling with some Js+pair type of hands and sets/2p or even a low flopped flush that he feels frustrated with and randomly shoves and given potodds I def think it's a +ev call (vs fish only)

Didn't have any specific read on reg cus it was like 4 months ago I played this stake, but back then he had 30/23/9 and if we get reraised again we're puking so hard I dunno, probably somewhat (easy?) fold then even though he doesn't have As THAT often we're still deep and oop

What I don't understand is that when I called here and reg folded, like shouldnt he call when he has a set here? he has 160 to call into 750 so he probably had Js which is kinda ridiculous to call first turn bet with imo.


player999   Brasil. Oct 15 2012 06:15. Posts 7978

I would pay $$$ to see a HH where a fish shows up with set/2p/Js here

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

Mardagg   Germany. Oct 15 2012 06:25. Posts 843

lol,how much?

A 67/5 fish is certainly capable of doing some shit here from time to time and as Asdf pointed out we got great odds,only need to be succesful 28% of the time here.

The real problem is the reg.Thing is regs can also make bad calls/plays.To assume he has As very often when he calls on the turn might be wrong.He can even hold hands like 9s9 and decide to call the second barrell if he views hero as aggressive or for whatever else reasons.I doubt he folded a set here btw....maybe 22 but i doubt it.

What did zryan hold hording?


 Last edit: 15/10/2012 06:28

player999   Brasil. Oct 15 2012 06:51. Posts 7978


  On October 15 2012 05:25 Mardagg wrote:
What did zryan hold hording?



ask motorhead

btw, didnt see he was 67/5, then he is just the kind of passive fish tht REALLY absolutely never has anything but the nuts here

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

Mardagg   Germany. Oct 15 2012 07:00. Posts 843


  On October 15 2012 05:51 player999 wrote:
Show nested quote +



ask motorhead

btw, didnt see he was 67/5, then he is just the kind of passive fish tht REALLY absolutely never has anything but the nuts here


?

A 67/5 fish means he probably has absolutely no idea about poker and plays way too many hands preflop.
Since he is bad as poker and those numbers dont indicate if he is aggressive postflop he might do a shitton of bad moves/plays all the time in my book.Even being passive postflop as well he might decide to make a stand /tvlike play here with 3rd to whatever nuts and his <100bb stack.
Imo folding solely because of the fish is a big mistake.thought only needed bc of reg.


lebowski   Greece. Oct 15 2012 08:30. Posts 9205


  On October 15 2012 05:51 player999 wrote:
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ask motorhead



lol

btw I find that most fish are passive and just calling with the second nuts and not randomly crazy shoving in frustration without even getting stacked a while earlier

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

player999   Brasil. Oct 15 2012 09:00. Posts 7978


  On October 15 2012 06:00 Mardagg wrote:
Show nested quote +



?

A 67/5 fish means he probably has absolutely no idea about poker and plays way too many hands preflop.
Since he is bad as poker and those numbers dont indicate if he is aggressive postflop he might do a shitton of bad moves/plays all the time in my book.Even being passive postflop as well he might decide to make a stand /tvlike play here with 3rd to whatever nuts and his <100bb stack.
Imo folding solely because of the fish is a big mistake.thought only needed bc of reg.



67/5 means he loves to call with a lot of crap, but WHEN HE SHOWS AGGRESSION its the nuts only

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

Mardagg   Germany. Oct 15 2012 09:29. Posts 843


  On October 15 2012 08:00 player999 wrote:
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67/5 means he loves to call with a lot of crap, but WHEN HE SHOWS AGGRESSION its the nuts only



why you keep telling this.I ve seen plenty of 67/5 players with 3+ or much more aggression post flop.
All that 67/5 means is he loves to call PREFLOP.
All we can be quite certain of is that he sucks and that we just need to win 28% of the time when we call.

And the motorhead joke i still dont understand


barbieman   Sweden. Oct 15 2012 11:36. Posts 2132


  On October 15 2012 08:29 Mardagg wrote:
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And the motorhead joke i still dont understand




hording   Sweden. Oct 15 2012 12:12. Posts 474

fish is passive, 1-1.5 aggro post

maybe he's not doing this with JsJd dunno, still not gonna fold ever vs him only though I don't think, but might be a leak


Mardagg   Germany. Oct 15 2012 12:34. Posts 843

thx barbieman!


 

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