shove or call ?

flop is an easy check/raise, almost all players cbet more on the flop than turn and river so we must try and exploit them there the most.

he's utg i'm button

Aren't you representing solely 22 with a raise?

and all sort of gutdraws

VPIP: 38, PFR: 27

how on earth don't you 3bet here

I do mix it up with calling and 3betting vs this type of player. Actually i think i would call a little more then 3betting vs this player, since he will be value towning himself a lot with worse Aces. But tbh I just had a handfull of hands vs him when i decided to call preflop. I think it's important to have AK in our flatting range vs him here.

shoving river has very little value. raising flop is super good for your metagame, since very few players have AK in their btn flatting range these days 100bb deep


on average from what im observing in your HH, you are extremley passive

you seem to look for any excuse to not play aggresive at any point in hands pre/post, and you balance your passiveness with slowplaying which is not a good approach to a game with likley a lot of calling station types

Lately I'm playing more passively, cause I think I was spewing around to much postflop. My HEM1 postflop agg% is 39.3 at 100nl for the year. Maybe I'm just picking the wrong spots. If we raise flop don't we discourage him from barreling like AQ or stop him from bluffing ?

i probably call lol

well he should cbet this flop like 90% of the time, so we should be attacking him, trying to exploit him with flop raises and floats depending on how much he 2 barrels. AK crushes his cbet range. If we don't attack them here then they can continue to play exploitably.

River is a clear call

when the hand played out vs him i had like 8 hands or so vs him. vpip over that tiny sample was like 26 or 28 if i remember correctly. so i didn't know what type of player he was up to that point.

what should our range be for raising this flop ?

I really see nothing wrong with this, he is 37/28 (granted a small sample) and I wouldnt just auto assume he will play back at our flop raise with 78s but he might try to barrel us when we rep JT-JQ, Kx and weak Ax when we call. On the river just call I dont see value to raising even if we have a deceptively strong hand.

this hand is fine. there isnt much point in raising the flop with anything. we dont have enough semi bluffs ... all of which would play this board passively anyways.

i just call river.

there are a lot of reasons why not raising flop is bad. As well the reasons i've already pointed out, It's the only way we gona stack em unless there is a 3barrel and our hands equity holds up. (no Tens, jacks run out on the river for example). Also villain is not going to notice that our range is slightly more capped on turns/rivers. There is very small advantage to be had from strengthening our range by flatting.

I dont understand why we are so concerned about stacking him when we have AK on AK2r vs supposedly a wide range, hes just gonna have weak stuff or air a whole lot... I mean I understand if we had 22 here but AK ?

whats gonna happen when u raise the flop is like 80% of the time the guy is just going to fold because he either has nothing or knows u wouldnt raise this board light since ---you have no semi bluffs.

or how about we take a hand in the top of our range and use it to induce bluffs in a spot where we have a hand that our opponent likely feels he can represent and potentially might think we can not have.

i don't understand your logic. If he has weak stuff a lot then that's the perfect argument for raising shit up and trying to stack him, because we would be playing aggro vs spots where he is weak.

edit: any spot where someone is cbet/folding 80% they are exploitable to check/raises. We want to attack that exploitable spot with raises.

Im confused how is him being weak gonna help us stack him?

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how is this not the easiest jam??? isn't it classic

"cleaner is trying to get me off a chop, call!" ?

man i am out of touch with the games eh?

I'm noob but I like jam too

On November 09 2012 15:49 mnj wrote: how is this not the easiest jam??? isn't it classic "cleaner is trying to get me off a chop, call!" ? man i am out of touch with the games eh?

i think flat is standard. vs a "standard" utg range we would need villain to call our shove with about half of his AQ/AJ combos for it to be just barely profitable. without history i don't think that happens. i know villain's stats are a bit looser but over 45 hands still don't think it means too much.

after seeing him show up w/A8o i would obv be much more inclined to shove next time, i still think it's close though.

i call.
If you would be just a little more deep i would vote for a minraise !