betting 1.30ish is better

love how you check turn and not knowing what to do if he bets

On December 18 2012 22:25 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: love how you check turn and not knowing what to do if he bets

What's up with all this fucking elitism here? I'm just asking for advice. I know what I'm not doing.
Seriously, if you have a smart ass remark, leave it out.

lol
instead of reacting like an idiot maybe you should think about what i just said

so i was writing some stuff to explain but i changed my mind

You gave absolutely no suggestive input. If you want to make posts for the sake of making posts, go circlejerk with reddit or something. Not here.

fold, he has a FD and will hit on the river

horse engage is alec baldwin

raise 2.5

On December 18 2012 22:22 SleepyHead wrote: betting 1.30ish is better

agreed, when you check draws are reasonably likely to check behind.

7x/8x might bet for protection but 10nl player probably more passive, in any case they're usually not calling c/r and not betting river with them if you c/c turn. not sure what they do vs turn c-c and river lead tho tbh since i never really take that line. also if river is a brick or semi-brick they might call 3rd barrel there w/those hands.

Tx is raising turn anyway if you bet.

that doesn't cover all possibilities but would be my default assumptions/reasons for leading turn. i'd lead most rivers as well, probably c/r 6/J and c-c T/7. things could change obviously if my default assumptions for 10nl are off or he's on the aggro side/can turn made hands into bluffs etc.

Thx bigred, this isn't the first time you've helped out with one of my hands, appreciate it.

I raised 2.70 and he folded. Leading turn makes more sense with that explanation.

when you check you gotta call

lead turn - u have a huge range as weak as like AJo with Jc, u can get looked up here by alot ofweak hands, bomb riv pretty big on non club that hits. sell a "bluff" of high cards to get a call (like 6.34 into 7.1 or shipping a potsizedbetz - ship gets more hero callz tbh)

checkraising the turn is good with like JQo when u cbet, and pick up a club turn, then go .9 ---> 2.7

even like A5hh cb cr and if called bombing riv is always extremely fcking strong, something to think about in the reverse w/ez

If Rekrul stories have taught me anything in life it's that if you win at mid-stakes poker your dick grows 6 inches.

Check-raising also has to be better. Something big like $3.75-$4 unless you think he's actually capable of folding a T (I would never think that of micro's). In my experience no-one folds draws no matter the odds/paired board. It also sets you up for a nice 1/2 pot shove on the river that he'll call insanely wide even if he wasn't planning to on the turn.

Check-call is horrible because even if he bets his entire turn range on river 100% of the time you still miss a ton of value from draws that would have put in a lot of money on the turn. Also like check-raise over double barrel as long as you don't have a note to the contrary. Basically anything he's calling a turn bet with he's calling a check-raise with, I think that trumps the chance he'll check back draws.

Now that was a brief glance from a micro's player so if anyone higher up wants to show me where my thinking is wrong or just swing their dick in my face then come at me.

EDIT: woah, I type way too slow, so many new posts while writing this. >_<

On December 18 2012 23:52 NeillyJQ wrote: lead turn - u have a huge range as weak as like AJo with Jc, u can get looked up here by alot ofweak hands

See I'm not so sure he does get looked up by random crap like 76 or 44. I suppose depending on player you'll get enough turn calls to make it better than check-raising but I don't think anyone short of big fish bluffcatches river like that. Besides a lot of the random crap makes combo-draws on this board which I'm of the opinion they'll call a check-raise with and not check back too often. Perhaps thats where the flaw in my logic is.

imo 44 and 67 wont be calling often, but if ur barreling ur entire range here that has any equity which im sure you should be doing vs these type of players, then they wont be folding easily to a couple bets. river is where the action is.

pffth, fuck over thinking it, pot is way to small, raise big, shove river GG

check/call and check/raise river

People 3barrell so light these days, so you will get max out of all his 3barrell bluffs/thin value

If you have crazy dynamic check-raise now and let him put you on a draw that you picked up on turn or something : P

its nl10 and hes a random. people dont get poker rarely vbet thin and dont follow up on bluffs where it makes sense. Hence id raise v unknown here to ship less than pot rvr, standard line alw ays bet turn cr only when you know he bets too much and expect him to bet draws and midpair hands (and theres shitload of people that do that for no reason at this limit.)

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On December 19 2012 02:29 LemOn[5thF] wrote: its nl10 and hes a random. people dont get poker rarely vbet thin and dont follow up on bluffs where it makes sense. Hence id raise v unknown here to ship less than pot rvr, standard line alw ays bet turn cr only when you know he bets too much and expect him to bet draws and midpair hands (and theres shitload of people that do that for no reason at this limit.)

10nl regs watch cardrunner bluefire videos too

on everest poker it was the same regs playing 10nl to 100nl lol so maybe i cant take part in this discussion

I think a check-call here looks pretty weak and a check-raise looks really strong for most 10nl nit regs, agreed ?

TBH, posting hands when u have nuts won't improve your game too much. Think about how often you hold nuts throughout a session. That's not where your main profit should come from.

On December 19 2012 09:41 nlloser60 wrote: TBH, posting hands when u have nuts won't improve your game too much. Think about how often you hold nuts throughout a session. That's not where your main profit should come from.

Every bit counts imo

Rather raise big, most ppl can't fold a draw. If you call, maybe less value to gain on many brick non flush rivers