you can be so gay with betsizing at this format on all streets nobody cant notice lol

not sure if I like this though. The limper, if he has a high fold to iso, i don't mind making it smaller, like x4, wouldnt go x3, just inviting blinds along.

If he lc a lot, and has a high fcbet, like 57% or more or something around there, I like making it bigger, i generally make it x5 or x6, to have a bigger pot, and win more when we cbet. cbet around half when miss, and closer to pot when hit.

On this board, give up quite a bit, if they don't have high fold to c bet, both of them.

My 2 cents

if twice check around, i always fire, and if one caller there, u can almost always put him on what hand he has, and then take it on many rivers

no stats bro dont know them at all its zoom you seem to be obsessed too much about stats anyway :O

Both fish judging by limp and stacksize with the 2 backdoors and overcard I can do shitloads of stuff on turn rvr with the button and the betsize defines their ranges a bit. It has to work 27% of the time if I cf turn/rvr 100% which I wont there no chance it has negative ev IP with this hand when they never saw me before

and I just make it smaller pre cause I have a weak hand, you get shifted to another table nobody will know I 4x or 5x top of my pf range :D

still a leak to make it smaller when they have high fold to cbet =p

and get in tricky spots when we invite the blinds, that's what my logic tells me lol. Would be cool to have more opinions

how do you know they have a high fold to cbet? they nl5 fish, I think they fold air regardless of betsize, and it will make a small difference in FE if I make it this size or 60-70%

And the thing is, most people tick their fast fold thing in blinds (well sb, bb autofold a lot), theres no squeezing at this limit so blinds are less likely to come along than in normal format

Its fun how easily you can fuck around I 3bet regs 40% first few times use super exploitable sizing without proper regs playing you you can annihilate this shit completely :D

On December 20 2012 20:25 LemOn[5thF] wrote: how do you know they have a high fold to cbet? they nl5 fish, I think they fold air regardless of betsize, and it will make a small difference in FE if I make it this size or 60-70%

You look at their fold to cbet, I know PT4 and HEM2 works on zoom tables.

5nl fish isnt the same, most fish limp call 60 - 90%, but u have a pool of fish, a little rarer, like 25 - 30% of the fishes, they limp fold for the most part. But they also have much higher fold to cbet.

Also a variation of loose passive baddies, who may look like normal fishes, stats like 60vpip, but, very very low WTS, so they fold a lot on flop or turn, vs these u don't play like u do vs normal fish.

Your c bet there, if u were just clicking buttons, might just be lucky, if the fishes were like most fish, they have fold to cbet around 30%, and u bet into two ppl, just spew. UNLESS u knew they folded a lot to c,bet, then its great!!

More thoughts from me xD

dude no stats, its big pool I 1table just forget about stats there is none
Plus try to use my hand and input a blind flat or l/c+call flop range from fish against it to stove and look at the equity, it makes it a lot clearer then.

ive seen lots of vods of ppl zooming with stats :x

u didn't get to isolate the fish either, blinds jumped in, u get fish more to urself when u make it bigger xD

wait hem just picks up stats from your hands, or from the whole pool at the limit when you play? That would be gay. And i didnt bother about pf sizing in terms of isoing cause ppl fast fold blinds alot, just try it youll see you play hu pots a lot more than at normal tables where fish call cause they are bored, here they fast fold play next hand when actions far away

and i make it big ip when they call pf too much to fold flop alot, if thats standard for fish then bigger is better i dunno. Its just so easy be exploitive build small pot with weak hands big one with strong ones when they cant do shit about it cause you get moved all the time

I understand your logic, just sharing my view. When I open on the btn for instance, and I have a normal, mediocre hand. I might make it x2,5 if i don't particulary like the blinds.

If there's a monster fish, who folds 60% to c bet, I make it x4 on the btn, just to win more from the cbet xD

i make it 6bb against those, or the max they call just try to find out couple times. You just never know with zoom cause you get moved dont see other hands, thats why it wont be my main game ever.

This is so standard lemon what makes you think anything about this hand isn't

HUD is very effective at zoom... Usually after 1 hour of play you have like 100 hands on all people who played in this 1 hour as well. Gotta admit zoom is tougher than normal tables, cause there are less fish that play a hand because they are bored. Since you told me this I play 3 zoom and 3-5 regular tables and it feels great, cause I still play like 1.1k hands/hour