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Handnr: 997120
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #91776708603: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2013/01/04 15:34:40 JST [2013/01/04 1:34:40 ET]
Table Gotha 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: quietclown ($91 in chips)
Seat 2: TianYuan ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Tsaar ($260.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Humzey ($67.49 in chips)
Seat 5: Rikardo29 ($236.58 in chips)
Seat 6: Geoffed ($269.74 in chips)
TianYuan: posts small blind $0.50
Tsaar: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan 3dKdJdKs
Humzey: folds
Rikardo29: folds
Geoffed: raises $2 to $3
quietclown: raises $7.50 to $10.50
TianYuan: raises $25 to $35.50
Tsaar: folds
Geoffed: folds
quietclown: raises $55.50 to $91 and is all-in
TianYuan: calls $55.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $186.00)

   8sJhKh

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $186.00)

   8sJhKh4c

River (Pot : $186.00)

   8sJhKh4cTh

Showdown
TianYuan: shows 3dKdJdKs (three of a kind, Kings)
quietclown: shows Ad7dAc7s (a pair of Aces)
TianYuan collected $183.20 from pot

Summary
Total pot $186 | Rake $2.80
Board  8sJhKh4cTh
Seat 1: quietclown (button) showed Ad7dAc7s and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: TianYuan (small blind) showed 3dKdJdKs and won ($183.20) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: Tsaar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Humzey folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Rikardo29 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Geoffed folded before Flop
think pretty standard vs someone with 20% 3b v co

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taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 03:30. Posts 1793

How many hands do you have on him?

I imagine it is mathematically improbable that his 3-bet v cutoff stat is descriptive after less than 1500 hands, feels pretty unstandard to do this from the SB with KKJ3.

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 04 2013 04:44. Posts 6817

Not enough to say that it's for sure 20, but enough to where he's clearly got a very very wide button 3betting range (his overall stats are like 40/20 with 10% 3bet overall).

I've got enough hands to say very comfortably that he's 3betting a good bit over 10% from the button (not vs co specifically).

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 04/01/2013 04:46

taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 06:10. Posts 1793

You are obv. better than me at PLO at this point but are you sure you think this is the best way to play this hand?


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 04 2013 07:24. Posts 6817

Nope, or I wouldnt have posted it... I'm actually kind of curious about what % I can unexploitably 4bet KK at (3bet %). Not sure how to calculate it.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

CamilaPunt   Brasil. Jan 04 2013 08:25. Posts 2422

i think its fine if your read is of him 3b'ing loosely and being able to gamble

vs some that i think like to gamble a lot id just get it in no problem --- vs others more competent w high 3b frequency i usually wait a bit and make sure i have seen them mess around before i start wanting to rr


taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 10:24. Posts 1793

Hand Equity
kd3djdks 53.03%
Top 20% 46.97%

Hand Equity
kd3djdks 53.01%
AxKx 46.99%

Hand Equity
kd3djdks 28.67%
aa 71.33%


Hand Equity
kd3djdks 57.32%
6789 42.68%

Bolded is what worries me.


lacman730   United States. Jan 04 2013 15:09. Posts 311

you should also keep in mind that a lot of players who 3 bet a lot will always flat the 4 bet instead of shipping it in unless they do have AA ofc. what taco posted is very important to consider too. AAxx sometimes dominates a significant portion of people's 3 betting range like hands that include AKxx and KKxx, whereas KK is only a small favorite vs basically everything. that makes playing for stacks pf with weak KK much much more likely to be -ev.


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 04 2013 19:38. Posts 6817

It seems so gross to not be able to 4bet KK vs someone 3betting 1/5 of the deck

I guess cold 4betting rundowns would have a lot of the same benefits (them incorrectly stacking off in places they shouldnt and folding A high boards etc), while never being in bad shape.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 04/01/2013 19:39

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 05 2013 00:18. Posts 6817

I'm not sure how to input into PPT to represent that he will stack off when he has 30% equity vs aces on the flop, but will actually be against kings....... so as an approximation I settled for how often does he have 50% equity vs AA, then found out what his avg equity vs KK when he has the required 30%....

So AVG Stack fold = .. do I compare this to the effective stack size (91) or my actual stacksize 99.5? I think 99.5

When we get it in vs AA: 0.18*(0.2864*(91+91+3+1)) = 9.6~
When he calls and folds flop: 0.41*75 = 30.75
When he calls and calls flop: 0.41*(0.414*(91+91+3+1)) = 31.6
= 71.95 avg stack

Which if I did this correctly means we're losing a ton of money on this, like 28 something $ worse than folding. Not sure I did it correctly tho, that seems a bit much even for this.

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 05/01/2013 00:29

 

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