PokerStars Zoom Hand #91776708603: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2013/01/04 15:34:40 JST [2013/01/04 1:34:40 ET]
Table Gotha 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: quietclown ($91 in chips)
Seat 2: TianYuan ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Tsaar ($260.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Humzey ($67.49 in chips)
Seat 5: Rikardo29 ($236.58 in chips)
Seat 6: Geoffed ($269.74 in chips)
TianYuan: posts small blind $0.50
Tsaar: posts big blind $1
Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan
Humzey: folds
Rikardo29: folds
Geoffed: raises $2 to $3
quietclown: raises $7.50 to $10.50
TianYuan: raises $25 to $35.50
Tsaar: folds
Geoffed: folds
quietclown: raises $55.50 to $91 and is all-in
TianYuan: calls $55.50
Flop(Odds) (Pot : $186.00)
Turn(Odds) (Pot : $186.00)
River (Pot : $186.00)
Showdown
TianYuan: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
quietclown: shows (a pair of Aces)
TianYuan collected $183.20 from pot
Summary
Total pot $186 | Rake $2.80
Board
Seat 1: quietclown (button) showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: TianYuan (small blind) showed and won ($183.20) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: Tsaar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Humzey folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Rikardo29 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: Geoffed folded before Flop
think pretty standard vs someone with 20% 3b v co
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taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 03:30. Posts 1793 | | |
How many hands do you have on him?
I imagine it is mathematically improbable that his 3-bet v cutoff stat is descriptive after less than 1500 hands, feels pretty unstandard to do this from the SB with KKJ3. |
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Jan 04 2013 04:44. Posts 6817 | | |
Not enough to say that it's for sure 20, but enough to where he's clearly got a very very wide button 3betting range (his overall stats are like 40/20 with 10% 3bet overall).
I've got enough hands to say very comfortably that he's 3betting a good bit over 10% from the button (not vs co specifically). |
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Hm.. Off-suite socks.. | Last edit: 04/01/2013 04:46 |
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taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 06:10. Posts 1793 | | |
You are obv. better than me at PLO at this point but are you sure you think this is the best way to play this hand?
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Jan 04 2013 07:24. Posts 6817 | | |
Nope, or I wouldnt have posted it... I'm actually kind of curious about what % I can unexploitably 4bet KK at (3bet %). Not sure how to calculate it. |
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CamilaPunt   Brasil. Jan 04 2013 08:25. Posts 2422 | | |
i think its fine if your read is of him 3b'ing loosely and being able to gamble
vs some that i think like to gamble a lot id just get it in no problem --- vs others more competent w high 3b frequency i usually wait a bit and make sure i have seen them mess around before i start wanting to rr |
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taco   Iceland. Jan 04 2013 10:24. Posts 1793 | | |
Hand Equity
kd3djdks 53.03%
Top 20% 46.97%
Hand Equity
kd3djdks 53.01%
AxKx 46.99%
Hand Equity
kd3djdks 28.67%
aa 71.33%
Hand Equity
kd3djdks 57.32%
6789 42.68%
Bolded is what worries me. |
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lacman730   United States. Jan 04 2013 15:09. Posts 311 | | |
you should also keep in mind that a lot of players who 3 bet a lot will always flat the 4 bet instead of shipping it in unless they do have AA ofc. what taco posted is very important to consider too. AAxx sometimes dominates a significant portion of people's 3 betting range like hands that include AKxx and KKxx, whereas KK is only a small favorite vs basically everything. that makes playing for stacks pf with weak KK much much more likely to be -ev. |
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TianYuan   Korea (South). Jan 05 2013 00:18. Posts 6817 | | |
I'm not sure how to input into PPT to represent that he will stack off when he has 30% equity vs aces on the flop, but will actually be against kings....... so as an approximation I settled for how often does he have 50% equity vs AA, then found out what his avg equity vs KK when he has the required 30%....
So AVG Stack fold = .. do I compare this to the effective stack size (91) or my actual stacksize 99.5? I think 99.5
When we get it in vs AA: 0.18*(0.2864*(91+91+3+1)) = 9.6~
When he calls and folds flop: 0.41*75 = 30.75
When he calls and calls flop: 0.41*(0.414*(91+91+3+1)) = 31.6
= 71.95 avg stack
Which if I did this correctly means we're losing a ton of money on this, like 28 something $ worse than folding. Not sure I did it correctly tho, that seems a bit much even for this. |
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Hm.. Off-suite socks.. | Last edit: 05/01/2013 00:29 |
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