60 Minutes on superuser-accounts to air tomorrow

<img align="right" src=http://admins.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/c16223b2f74a2b1cbc775ab114be0aad.jpg style="margin:5px; border: 0px solid black;">Over 4 months of investigation has preceded the next episode of 60 minutes. The episode about the biggest cheating scandal in the online pokerworld, the super-user accounts of AbsolutePoker and UltimateBet, couldn't have been timed better, only a few days after the launch of their response: CEREUS Network. 60 Minutes is the most successful broadcast in the US television history, and has been running prime time for 40 years now. This episode called "How Online Gamblers Unmasked Cheaters" will be aired on Sunday at 7 p.m. ET.

It all started with a simple mistake - a player asked for a hand history from a tournament, and instead of receiving just his own - he was sent whole hand history for all players, with all their cards exposed. After some review on internet forums, a suspicious thing was discovered: one player made correct decisions in every hand he was involved. And by every, we mean every single hand he played: "He was raising, just really, really bad hands against very good hands. He seemed to play crazy. It seemed like he was giving his money away. Except the only thing was, he wasn't losing. He was playing in a style that was sure to lose, but he was killing the game day after day," said Todd Witteles, one of the players that played a vital role in the investigation.

After weeks of investigations fueled by a lot of interested pokerplayers, the biggest cheating scandal ever in online poker was unmasked: the existence of an account that could see all the wholecards of other players. How it all happened and ? Tomorrow, we'll get to know more. Here's a short preview of the story:

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not good....

im thinking about playing on cereus a bit...... not a good idea^^?

this is only going to make all those live donks who talk about online being rigged cum ...

i wouldn't be surprised if every major poker site had super users, seems as though ultimate bet fucked up, and they got leaked.

woooonk woooooonk. This is a definite watch the person was probably a CEO's grandson or some other complete idiot. The scary thing is considering the smart "thinking" cheaters with super user accounts merely sustaining a sexy believable winrate. No way to really know unless its made blatantly obvious like this example.

What fun is playing the game when you cant guess at what people have ^.^

The real guy was russ hamilton or whoever that guy is. Former owner of UB and his son

nice dont forget to upload the video when its available

On November 29 2008 11:32 Syntax wrote: this is only going to make all those live donks who talk about online being rigged cum ...

im still waiting for the conclusion to my investigation into live being rigged....

I hope someone records this and make it available.

So whats the verdict on this kind of story? Are we worried that it will just build anti-gambling sentiment and support for the UIGEA and its clones?

On November 29 2008 16:03 capaneo wrote: I hope someone records this and make it available.

I'm pretty sure 60 minutes puts up clips on their site.

nice, i'd definitely be tuning in to that, thanks for the heads up

Two different pro players told me about super users at redstar/cake highstakes appear time to time heres the story:
There were a few high stakes regs I know IRL playing high stakes constantly, but sometimes a new strangers sit in the game, take down about 5-10 buyins in less then a hour, and then never appear on the site.
Reg sitting alone with 60k at NL10k table, a new player joining the game and wins his whole stack HU in 40 min with unfoldable spots, like KK v AA preflop, set over set, AK v KK etc... then he dissapear from site forever.
Another reg await for players at NL5k 15k stack: unknown person sit it, take down 6 buyins in unfoldable spots in like 100 hands sample size, and noone ever saw him at tables anymore. Same story happen twice to this guy.

i wonder when that fucking ftp will be exposed...

Let´s watch this thing... scary cheaters, mhackers.

That's not good PR for online poker, all the newbies who watch it just figure it's rigged and never deposit.

Wouldn't want that.

On November 30 2008 04:15 Muhweli wrote: That's not good PR for online poker, all the newbies who watch it just figure it's rigged and never deposit. Wouldn't want that.

+1 :D

So wait, the superuser can see all the community cards (before they are flopped) as well as other players cards?

Its most likely to be an internal person in the company.

On November 30 2008 06:19 SpoR wrote: So wait, the superuser can see all the community cards (before they are flopped) as well as other players cards? Its most likely to be an internal person in the company.

no, only the opponents hole cards.
community cards aren't drawn before they are shown

Another vid on cbs website

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4635030n

Interesting.Looking forward for the video!
Btw I dont think this really matter for the lowstakes players like me.But who knows maybe in the future

Hearing people talk about online poker who don't know shit about it is usually embarrassing and uncomfortable to watch. Hopefully they present poker as something mathematical and at least somewhat legitimate and don't turn this into an anti-gambol crusade, the clip seemed to do a decent job.

On November 30 2008 12:19 Hoolz_1907 wrote: Another vid on cbs website http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4635030n

Alright I have faith that 60 minutes will do this story well. I hope this doesn't affect cereus traffic too much though, or if it does it should make some of the annoying nits leave hehe.

This is so bad for the internet poker community I mean is it not the poker players worst nightmare?

Nope. The worst nightmare for poker players is sharting in their favourite boxers!

On November 30 2008 19:49 Liofle wrote: Nope. The worst nightmare for poker players is sharting in their favourite boxers!

ic wut u did dar.

also, some1 plz upload once this airs?

I watched it just now, it was only like 10 minutes worth of shit I already knew. lame.

the sample pretty much sims the whole 12 min part

whatched it with doomer while working out

i didnt liek how tehy kept saying ITS ILLEGAL AAND TEHY OPERATE OUTSIDE US JURISDICTION just cuz it sounds like "if you play internet poker ... the Terrorist win"

-jorge

This report was the worse thing that could ever happen to online poker.
Few more reports like this and 5years down the line $5/$10 players have to serve burgers

Well its obvious that these people who had to work their entire lives in the corporate world kissing ass are jealous and hate the fact that us young people are making more money playing a game for a few years than their whole life.
They would probably be somewhat correct in saying that we are basically useless for the world. You could argue that all of our frivolous spending is spent and boosts the economy. I assume this is why USA banned poker?

had to stop watching at 3:07, what a joke...

On November 30 2008 06:19 SpoR wrote: So wait, the superuser can see all the community cards (before they are flopped) as well as other players cards? Its most likely to be an internal person in the company.

uhmmm ehhh doh!


At least they got Russ Hamilton out in the open, but it was far too short and no mentions of anything postitive or what is done to prevent it in the future

On November 30 2008 22:29 SpoR wrote: Well its obvious that these people who had to work their entire lives in the corporate world kissing ass are jealous and hate the fact that us young people are making more money playing a game for a few years than their whole life. They would probably be somewhat correct in saying that we are basically useless for the world. You could argue that all of our frivolous spending is spent and boosts the economy. I assume this is why USA banned poker?

Yes poker players are useless for the world just like athletes, dancers, chessplayers, stockbrokers, artists and lots of other professions, they are right

On December 01 2008 05:58 Zorglub wrote: Yes poker players are useless for the world just like athletes, dancers, chessplayers, stockbrokers, artists and lots of other professions, they are right

Never really thought about it that way, although I'd say stockbrokers are quite a bit less useless. It makes me feel better about playing poker though!

On November 29 2008 14:19 Minsk wrote: What fun is playing the game when you cant guess at what people have ^.^

It's called winning a shit ton of money instead.

does anyone have a torrent of that show?
i cant find it on piratebay.org

On November 29 2008 14:37 thewh00sel wrote: The real guy was russ hamilton or whoever that guy is. Former owner of UB and his son

And correct me if im wrong but Hamilton did play the WSOP ME this year like nothing happened ? His son vanished and both avoided legal prosecution if i remember right ?

It's on piratebay and mininova now
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4546603/60_Minutes-CBS_11-30-2008_Ekolb

Basically all I got out of that is Absolute Poker is evil and Hamilton is a greedy idiotic douchebag.

the 2+2 podcast on this is pretty hilarious.