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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 19:14. Posts 4742


  On July 25 2012 17:53 ParadoxPLZ wrote:
ass to mouth



I've been experimenting with that one a bit lately, I just had one literally 20 minutes ago lol. I'll copy paste. It's from skype with my brother.


[12:48:05 AM] Michael: ha læst an
[12:48:11 AM] Michael: : D joda har merka det der
[12:48:15 AM] Michael: traff hode på spikern tel meg
[12:48:21 AM] Michael: har et problem atm, som eg jobb med!
[12:48:39 AM] mariusaglen: atm betyr
[12:48:41 AM] mariusaglen: at the moment
[12:48:44 AM] mariusaglen: mange trur d betyr
[12:48:45 AM] mariusaglen: ass to mouth
[12:48:48 AM] Michael: .........
[12:48:49 AM] mariusaglen: de e veldig lett å mix opp
[12:48:52 AM] mariusaglen: e bære sei
[12:49:02 AM] Michael: det hakke vært bra i den her sammenhengen
lol

I'll translate, I'll call my brother Mikipiki, and myself Me

Mikipiki: I've read it
Mikipiki: :D Yeah I've noticed
Mikipiki: Really hit the nail on the head for me
Mikipiki: Have an atm problem, that I'm working with!
Me: atm means
Me: at the moment
Me: Many people think it means
Me: ass to mouth
Mikipiki: ..........
Me: Very easy to mix up
Me: Just sayin
Mikipiki: Wouldn't have been good in this setting
Mikipiki: lol

 Last edit: 25/07/2012 19:22

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 25 2012 20:18. Posts 8649


  On July 25 2012 15:58 Mariuslol wrote:
Show nested quote +




Yeap. It goes a little something like this.



i'm not an expert and don't know your training experience but your rep ranges seem a little high. i know there's hypertrophy-specific workouts that use higher rep ranges but i assume you want to add a bigger foundation first. the machine you use instead of squats, i assume you're talking about a Smith machine? either way, unless you have some odd physical condition where you can't do squats correctly you should just do normal squats without the machine, they're about a million times better for you. with all the reading about stuff you do i assume you know about Starting Strength? if not you might want to check it out, here's a summary of the program: http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wik...ing_Strength_Novice/Beginner_Programs

the book is really helpful too, very dry though. if you look at Jas0n's 2nd to last blog post (not the most recent one) in one of the pics they actually have a copy laying on the bench by their squat rack

i think with all the things you log and keep notes on, keeping an exercise log might be the most useful.

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 21:21. Posts 4742


  On July 25 2012 19:18 bigredhoss wrote:
Show nested quote +



i'm not an expert and don't know your training experience but your rep ranges seem a little high. i know there's hypertrophy-specific workouts that use higher rep ranges but i assume you want to add a bigger foundation first. the machine you use instead of squats, i assume you're talking about a Smith machine? either way, unless you have some odd physical condition where you can't do squats correctly you should just do normal squats without the machine, they're about a million times better for you. with all the reading about stuff you do i assume you know about Starting Strength? if not you might want to check it out, here's a summary of the program: http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wik...ing_Strength_Novice/Beginner_Programs

the book is really helpful too, very dry though. if you look at Jas0n's 2nd to last blog post (not the most recent one) in one of the pics they actually have a copy laying on the bench by their squat rack

i think with all the things you log and keep notes on, keeping an exercise log might be the most useful.



6 - 10 doesn't feel that high, I usually go up in weight if I can take 8 or more, and then keep at it with the new weight till I can beat 8 again. Something along those lines xD (I only do lots of reps when I do my legs, then it's 12 ish, maybe 13 or 14 if I'm feeling frisky).

Ah, I ment I'm using Leg Press machine thingy, not smith machine, I youtubed the smith machine, not that one, I can't use those lol.
I've got an odd physical condition wher I can't do squats correctly. I can't move my arm behind the bar, I had a Frozen shoulder 2 years ago.

I've read most starting programs on a lot of different sites, bodybuilding.com, iform.no, and I've read through most of the thingys that come up when I google, and I'm subscribed to 4 different ones about training, Mikechang guy, Hodgetwins (like them the most, since they're funny lol), that old guy who's over 50, but he creeps me out a little, so not watching much of him, and some fat guy. (not really at, just don't remember the name lol).


I'll defintly check out the link, thanks for trying to help. I'll give it a good look and a read, and I'll write a comment on what I thought about it <3


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 21:24. Posts 4742


Oh, was a little short, didn't know wiki had those as well, so sick.

I kinda agree with it, but I think I'm a little more advanced, not that much lol, but I'm much better at techniques and know more stuff than what it might look like, if you look at my skinny physique.

Might put that one on my sister, she just started working out, and wanted to become stronger than her husband lol


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 21:27. Posts 4742

Ohh, this one looks pretty cool, too soon for me, but maybe!! One day =p http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/4_Day_Split_for_Strength


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 25 2012 22:15. Posts 8649


  On July 25 2012 20:24 Mariuslol wrote:

Oh, was a little short, didn't know wiki had those as well, so sick.

I kinda agree with it, but I think I'm a little more advanced, not that much lol, but I'm much better at techniques and know more stuff than what it might look like, if you look at my skinny physique.

Might put that one on my sister, she just started working out, and wanted to become stronger than her husband lol



fwiw "novice" probably doesn't imply what you might think. here's a chart rippetoe made with basic strength standards for each "level" http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf

he explains what he means by novice/intermediate/etc. on the chart, but for practical programming purposes it just means that you're still at a stage where you're capable of making linear gains with a basic compound lifting program like SS without requiring more complex programming. i.e. someone can have intermediate+ strength levels and it might still be optimal for them to do SS, it just depends on their genetics. in other words, it's desirable to stay on a "novice" program as long as possible, since gains come much more slowly with intermediate/advanced programs.

Truck-Crash LifeLast edit: 25/07/2012 22:17

Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 22:28. Posts 4742


ah ok, thanks, didn't know that lol


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 22:54. Posts 4742

Is it pounds? or kg?

1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds like that? on the chart


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 22:56. Posts 4742

Wait a minute, that'd be stupid lol, I'm thinking it should be a little something liek 4,5 "something" to make a kg


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 25 2012 23:04. Posts 8649


  On July 25 2012 21:54 Mariuslol wrote:
1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds like that? on the chart



yeah this, it's in pounds

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 25 2012 23:07. Posts 4742

ah multiplied by, ok ok think I got it now, yay


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 01:37. Posts 4742


Ok, back, had a shorter session, like 38 minutes.

Tried just chest, then one isolation. Not sure, but felt pretty cool. Gonna hurry n get some food in me

(Also really unsure about that, some people say that the growth hormone works wonder if you wait longer before you put carbs and protein in you, and some say u need it instant).

*confused*

but my intuition tells me it might very well be, but not if ur super skinny, since u can't let it work then. Just a guess though


Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 01:59. Posts 4742

Hmm, I fall into this category:


Weight Un trained Novice Intermediate Advanced
132 98 125 153 208


Under the Bench press, with barbells. What you reckon, in your opinion is the equivelant with dumb bells? When combined weight is 145 if I + the weight together, so I'm somewhere between novice and intermediate, wuhu!!

So sick


zionlll   Belgium. Jul 26 2012 05:48. Posts 169


  On July 26 2012 00:59 Mariuslol wrote:
Hmm, I fall into this category:


Weight Un trained Novice Intermediate Advanced
132 98 125 153 208


Under the Bench press, with barbells. What you reckon, in your opinion is the equivelant with dumb bells? When combined weight is 145 if I + the weight together, so I'm somewhere between novice and intermediate, wuhu!!

So sick


Db's or barbell is kinda the same for me , i press 2x 38 kg or 75 kg barbell


Meh u read all those books & stuff on the internet . Even make notes and all .
I'm also a big note taker etc...

But man, i dun like ur workout's at all . Even tho , theres so much info on the internet .
U should try to only train for max 45-60 minutes .
U should def. squat! .
U need to add weights to ur benchpress if ur pressing more then 6 reps .
Don't do pushups . Also , if i'm correct u do legs / back together & triceps/chest together ?
best u do upper / lower body on different days or
a chest/bicep Back / Tricep Legs / shoulder workout . Along those lines.
Wich is intermediate , maybe best to follow the rippetoe starting strength . if ur a beginner

+1 for doin deadlifts tho . =]
Also whats ur height & weight ?
Sry if i sound offending , i'm just dissapointed ;D

 Last edit: 26/07/2012 05:50

cariadon   Estonia. Jul 26 2012 10:39. Posts 4019

Mariuslols routine looks fishy. One thing is having a routine the other is following it. I agree to disagree with fellow posters. There is like a 0.1% chance someone has an illness that doesn't allow them to work out and enjoy the benefits of doing it. If you've never been into sports and never trained in your life, you probably don't know how to. You need a 50y.o retired guy to yell at you when working out. Seems to me you do little just to feel better about yourself and get to pat yourself on the back for living a "perfect life". Odds are, something is off. The easy road is to tell yourself you can't do it and just sit there doing nothing. I've had lower back and knee injuries and i'm more fit and stronger than when i was competing in national level tennis. Frozen shoulder? I call bs. My 2 cents.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 26 2012 10:58. Posts 8649


  On July 26 2012 00:37 Mariuslol wrote:
(Also really unsure about that, some people say that the growth hormone works wonder if you wait longer before you put carbs and protein in you, and some say u need it instant).

*confused*

but my intuition tells me it might very well be, but not if ur super skinny, since u can't let it work then. Just a guess though




  Under the Bench press, with barbells. What you reckon, in your opinion is the equivelant with dumb bells? When combined weight is 145 if I + the weight together, so I'm somewhere between novice and intermediate, wuhu!!



i don't really know the answer to either of these. i'm pretty sure it's good to eat a meal within an hour or two of your workout, but that's based off what everyone who seems knowledgeable says, i don't understand any of the biochemistry behind it, seems logical in a simple kinda way though. in terms of body composition though meal timing seems to be a pretty minor issue, if it is one at all. certain ways of timing meals might help with compliance and such but if willpower is not an issue then getting the same breakdown of macronutrients (protein/fat/carbs) should get the same results, pretty much regardless of timing (within a 24hr period). lyle mcdonald has good nutrition articles on his site if you want to get into it a bit more: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ i haven't read most of them but the ones i have are very informative and high-content.

not sure about bench barbell vs dumbbell.

Truck-Crash LifeLast edit: 26/07/2012 12:56

2c0ntent   Egypt. Jul 26 2012 16:29. Posts 1387

99% chance that you don't see size results in working out because of one of these or a combination of both.

1. don't consistently perform your work outs (ie randomly not going to the gym for a week)
2. don't consume enough calories consistently (ie hitting the 3500+ calories/day for one or two days, feeling really great about your accomplishment (Cuz its fucking hard for a lot of people), and then not for the rest of the week)

even if your workout itself is suboptimal, so long as you're lifting stuff that is hard for you to lift and eating a surplus of calories, you should gain weight

gaining muscle/size requires you to do the same thing that it'd take for you to get fat (see #2, eating a shitload), its just that you are doing it consciously and combining it with exercise.

source: personal experience. I tend to have a very low bmi. I've gained & lost as much as 20 pounds of muscle at different points of my adult life (135lb 8% body fat -> 155lb 6% body fat) and the above is exactly how it works. it can be very very difficult to maintain the proper eating habits without immense discipline or an attraction to food

+-Last edit: 26/07/2012 16:37

Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 18:08. Posts 4742


  On July 26 2012 04:48 zionlll wrote:
Show nested quote +


Db's or barbell is kinda the same for me , i press 2x 38 kg or 75 kg barbell


Meh u read all those books & stuff on the internet . Even make notes and all .
I'm also a big note taker etc...

But man, i dun like ur workout's at all . Even tho , theres so much info on the internet .
U should try to only train for max 45-60 minutes .
U should def. squat! .
U need to add weights to ur benchpress if ur pressing more then 6 reps .
Don't do pushups . Also , if i'm correct u do legs / back together & triceps/chest together ?
best u do upper / lower body on different days or
a chest/bicep Back / Tricep Legs / shoulder workout . Along those lines.
Wich is intermediate , maybe best to follow the rippetoe starting strength . if ur a beginner

+1 for doin deadlifts tho . =]
Also whats ur height & weight ?
Sry if i sound offending , i'm just dissapointed ;D


Hey, since you didn't read the important bits.

- I do train 45-50 mintes lol.

- I CANT DO SQUATS, LITERALLY <---- Can't do em lol, so leg press best option, or do 100 squats no weights, which i occasionally do for change of pace.

- Since I'm skinny not that advanced, I decided to add weights after 8 reps, + former injuries, so I'm kinda doing this as well.

- I CAN'T do bench, so free weights, so dumb bells instead, each time you ( I ) go up a weight, it is around 4 reps, or 5, so I'm doing what you're saying lol.

- I did a lot of research on what split to have, if you're more advanced, train more, I like upper lower, but I'm very skinny, and I want to train my chest, triceps, that area twice a week, and I just lift weights 3 times a week. The legs can take a lot more punishment as well, so Leg n Back. I tried the other variant, felt jicky for my body. So went back to leg back, and Chest/triceps. (Monday, wedns, sat) or fri.

- To the Push up one. I sent pm's to a lot of the top guys, asking about that, they said it was a brilliant idea to make sure I got out every last bit, after doing the compound exercise first. So not sure if you're joking there.
First lift my heart out, can't get up weights anymore, but push ups is doable, so gogo get it out.


I'm 61kg / 134 lbs
176cm tall 69 inches (not sure if that's what ppl use lol)



bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 26 2012 18:32. Posts 8649


  On July 26 2012 15:29 2c0ntent wrote:
99% chance that you don't see size results in working out because of one of these or a combination of both.

1. don't consistently perform your work outs (ie randomly not going to the gym for a week)
2. don't consume enough calories consistently (ie hitting the 3500+ calories/day for one or two days, feeling really great about your accomplishment (Cuz its fucking hard for a lot of people), and then not for the rest of the week)

even if your workout itself is suboptimal, so long as you're lifting stuff that is hard for you to lift and eating a surplus of calories, you should gain weight

gaining muscle/size requires you to do the same thing that it'd take for you to get fat (see #2, eating a shitload), its just that you are doing it consciously and combining it with exercise.

source: personal experience. I tend to have a very low bmi. I've gained & lost as much as 20 pounds of muscle at different points of my adult life (135lb 8% body fat -> 155lb 6% body fat) and the above is exactly how it works. it can be very very difficult to maintain the proper eating habits without immense discipline or an attraction to food



trade metabolisms imo

+1 to everything night said

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 18:33. Posts 4742


  On July 26 2012 09:39 cariadon wrote:
Mariuslols routine looks fishy. One thing is having a routine the other is following it. I agree to disagree with fellow posters. There is like a 0.1% chance someone has an illness that doesn't allow them to work out and enjoy the benefits of doing it. If you've never been into sports and never trained in your life, you probably don't know how to. You need a 50y.o retired guy to yell at you when working out. lower back and knee injuries and i'm more fit and stronger than when i was competing in national level tennis. Frozen shoulder? I call bs. My 2 cents. Seems to me you do little just to feel better about yourself and get to pat yourself on the back for living a "perfect life". Odds are, something is off. The easy road is to tell yourself you can't do it and just sit there doing nothing. I've had pains blabla



When I was around 22, I did 90 bench, 140 push ups, 40 pull ups, I ran 3150 cooper...

I then got an extremely rare disease, don't want to get into it, but barely moved or trained for 2-3 years, lost weight from 67kg down to 55kg. Body pretty torn to shred. Had to build up, after a few a year of training I got a frozen shoulder, for being a bit of a retard. Got so addicted to training, overdid it, wanted to run, lift weights, martial arts, just too much. And since I'm a retard, I ruined it, end of sessions I'd challenge the coach "Hey!! I still got more power left, awrrgfhhh, sissy workout haha".

He'd smile and "ohh, so that's how it's gonna be"

And he'd challenge me to more push ups, pull ups etc. I'd always lose, but still fun.


Couldn't use my right arm for anything strainous. The bare minimum was clicking my mouse, and even playing SC was a bit too much, since you click to much and get too excited, or into it.

Couldn't brush my teeth with right arm, couldn't masturbate, so had to do that shit left hand lol.

First 1-2 hours of waking up, was extreme pain, since I always roll around in bed, so painful.


Had to start over the second it started to work, I had tried to do 1 push ups for months, but couldn't do it, then suddenly one day, during a long walk, I went down on all four again, and I gave it a try, and I managed to do one.
So happy I nearly cried lol (I probably did lol), since then I knew, I'd be able to take 2-3 in a few days, and I so I started training againg in around December, and I've built up.

When I was around 20 push ups, I got gym membership, and now, 7 months later I'm around 60 push ups. I still can't do all the movements, due to the frozen shoulder. It gets extremly painful for some movements still. Like Squats, I literally can't bend it back that way. And anything more than a few cm over the 90degree angle starts to hurt. So that's why Dumbbells and not Bench. (Although I've tried bench, with very light weights, just as warmup, to see how it's going lol).


And the 50 year old is another awesome story, he doesn't train at the same gym as me, nor have I talked to him. My brother trains at another small gym, mostly people who are really strong. Like the strongest Woman in Norway trains there, people who compete. (Mostly people who look like a square block lol).

And my brother had been complaining, 3-4 guys he knew, kinda his age, young people, around 20 - 22 something around there, who had only been training for 5-6 months were so fucking strong. And he had asked them, and all of them had gotten programs, diet, shit like that from that old guy. He's trained many of the strongest people in Norway. And I was a little intrigued, and just by listening about it, and reading some of the programs. (It's like 40 members at that gym, so since he lives nearby, and retired, he's helping people who ask for it).

And I just adopted one of the things on the program. Not like I follow or do any of that. Intrigued, yes, interested, a bit. But it's a bit "above my payroll". Since most of the exercises in that program, is almost only Deadlift, Squats, Bench, different versions of it, and it's brutal, like a 1 hour 20. I think it's ment for fatter people lol.


Seems to me you do little just to feel better about yourself and get to pat yourself on the back for living a "perfect life". Odds are, something is off. The easy road is to tell yourself you can't do it and just sit there doing nothing

I do more than most people I've met in my life lol. Most people I feel would cry and give up if they've been in just a fraction of the suffering I've endured, and if I cry, it's to not give up. You're seriously underestimating the heart, bravery and awesomeness coming out of this Norwegian.



 
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