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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 18:35. Posts 4742 | | |
| On July 26 2012 09:58 bigredhoss wrote:
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(Also really unsure about that, some people say that the growth hormone works wonder if you wait longer before you put carbs and protein in you, and some say u need it instant).
*confused*
but my intuition tells me it might very well be, but not if ur super skinny, since u can't let it work then. Just a guess though |
| Under the Bench press, with barbells. What you reckon, in your opinion is the equivelant with dumb bells? When combined weight is 145 if I + the weight together, so I'm somewhere between novice and intermediate, wuhu!! |
i don't really know the answer to either of these. i'm pretty sure it's good to eat a meal within an hour or two of your workout, but that's based off what everyone who seems knowledgeable says, i don't understand any of the biochemistry behind it, seems logical in a simple kinda way though. in terms of body composition though meal timing seems to be a pretty minor issue, if it is one at all. certain ways of timing meals might help with compliance and such but if willpower is not an issue then getting the same breakdown of macronutrients (protein/fat/carbs) should get the same results, pretty much regardless of timing (within a 24hr period). lyle mcdonald has good nutrition articles on his site if you want to get into it a bit more: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ i haven't read most of them but the ones i have are very informative and high-content.
not sure about bench barbell vs dumbbell.
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Just skimmed it, defintly looks decent. Thanks |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 18:39. Posts 4742 | | |
| On July 26 2012 15:29 2c0ntent wrote:
99% chance that you don't see size results in working out because of one of these or a combination of both.
1. don't consistently perform your work outs (ie randomly not going to the gym for a week)
2. don't consume enough calories consistently (ie hitting the 3500+ calories/day for one or two days, feeling really great about your accomplishment (Cuz its fucking hard for a lot of people), and then not for the rest of the week)
even if your workout itself is suboptimal, so long as you're lifting stuff that is hard for you to lift and eating a surplus of calories, you should gain weight
gaining muscle/size requires you to do the same thing that it'd take for you to get fat (see #2, eating a shitload), its just that you are doing it consciously and combining it with exercise.
source: personal experience. I tend to have a very low bmi. I've gained & lost as much as 20 pounds of muscle at different points of my adult life (135lb 8% body fat -> 155lb 6% body fat) and the above is exactly how it works. it can be very very difficult to maintain the proper eating habits without immense discipline or an attraction to food
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I think it's my sleep, that I on a good night wake up 20 times, and that I never have a propper rhythm, and very bad sleep. |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 26 2012 18:49. Posts 8649 | | |
btw def agree that push-ups are good, no need to get rid of them. if anything i'd ditch the Leg Press machine and do Glute Ham Raises and some other thing if you need something else for quads. my quads grow like weeds so i'm not really familiar with assistance-type exercises for targeting them but there has to be something better than doing leg presses.
pull-ups/chin-ups are super awesome and don't require any particular kind of equipment so i'd do those for sure, just my 2c. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 19:09. Posts 4742 | | |
mm, I love the two last ones. I keep re-trying from time to time, but also really difficult for me to do, due to stupid/limited shoulder movements.
But I'll keep "testing" until I can do them.
I do shoulder mobility exercises every day, and hopefully, eventually it'll be 100%. Then I'll jump on pull ups and chins, pull ups were kinda my favorite xD or top 2
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 19:11. Posts 4742 | | |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 26 2012 19:11. Posts 8649 | | |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 19:12. Posts 4742 | | |
After going through all the articles, that one I felt would be most benefitial for me to read. Starts with some of the stuff 20content took up. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 26 2012 19:27. Posts 4742 | | |
Really liked the end of the article for some reason lol:
an insidious (and stupid) idea that is out there (especially in the realm of bodybuilding) is that trainees should focus on irrelevant things: the feel, the squeeze, the pump. This is crap and guys who do this, unless they are on drugs, simply don’t grow. Muscle grows as a function of progressive tension overload, if you’re not adding weight to the bar over time, you’re not growing. This doesn’t mean that you have to add weight at every workout, but if you’re not gradually going heavier over time, you won’t be growing either.
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cariadon   Estonia. Jul 27 2012 00:38. Posts 4019 | | |
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| On July 26 2012 17:33 Mariuslol wrote:
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Mariuslols routine looks fishy. One thing is having a routine the other is following it. I agree to disagree with fellow posters. There is like a 0.1% chance someone has an illness that doesn't allow them to work out and enjoy the benefits of doing it. If you've never been into sports and never trained in your life, you probably don't know how to. You need a 50y.o retired guy to yell at you when working out. lower back and knee injuries and i'm more fit and stronger than when i was competing in national level tennis. Frozen shoulder? I call bs. My 2 cents. Seems to me you do little just to feel better about yourself and get to pat yourself on the back for living a "perfect life". Odds are, something is off. The easy road is to tell yourself you can't do it and just sit there doing nothing. I've had pains blabla |
When I was around 22, I did 90 bench, 140 push ups, 40 pull ups, I ran 3150 cooper...
I then got an extremely rare disease, don't want to get into it, but barely moved or trained for 2-3 years, lost weight from 67kg down to 55kg. Body pretty torn to shred. Had to build up, after a few a year of training I got a frozen shoulder, for being a bit of a retard. Got so addicted to training, overdid it, wanted to run, lift weights, martial arts, just too much. And since I'm a retard, I ruined it, end of sessions I'd challenge the coach "Hey!! I still got more power left, awrrgfhhh, sissy workout haha".
He'd smile and "ohh, so that's how it's gonna be"
And he'd challenge me to more push ups, pull ups etc. I'd always lose, but still fun.
Couldn't use my right arm for anything strainous. The bare minimum was clicking my mouse, and even playing SC was a bit too much, since you click to much and get too excited, or into it.
Couldn't brush my teeth with right arm, couldn't masturbate, so had to do that shit left hand lol.
First 1-2 hours of waking up, was extreme pain, since I always roll around in bed, so painful.
Had to start over the second it started to work, I had tried to do 1 push ups for months, but couldn't do it, then suddenly one day, during a long walk, I went down on all four again, and I gave it a try, and I managed to do one.
So happy I nearly cried lol (I probably did lol), since then I knew, I'd be able to take 2-3 in a few days, and I so I started training againg in around December, and I've built up.
When I was around 20 push ups, I got gym membership, and now, 7 months later I'm around 60 push ups. I still can't do all the movements, due to the frozen shoulder. It gets extremly painful for some movements still. Like Squats, I literally can't bend it back that way. And anything more than a few cm over the 90degree angle starts to hurt. So that's why Dumbbells and not Bench. (Although I've tried bench, with very light weights, just as warmup, to see how it's going lol).
And the 50 year old is another awesome story, he doesn't train at the same gym as me, nor have I talked to him. My brother trains at another small gym, mostly people who are really strong. Like the strongest Woman in Norway trains there, people who compete. (Mostly people who look like a square block lol).
And my brother had been complaining, 3-4 guys he knew, kinda his age, young people, around 20 - 22 something around there, who had only been training for 5-6 months were so fucking strong. And he had asked them, and all of them had gotten programs, diet, shit like that from that old guy. He's trained many of the strongest people in Norway. And I was a little intrigued, and just by listening about it, and reading some of the programs. (It's like 40 members at that gym, so since he lives nearby, and retired, he's helping people who ask for it).
And I just adopted one of the things on the program. Not like I follow or do any of that. Intrigued, yes, interested, a bit. But it's a bit "above my payroll". Since most of the exercises in that program, is almost only Deadlift, Squats, Bench, different versions of it, and it's brutal, like a 1 hour 20. I think it's ment for fatter people lol.
Seems to me you do little just to feel better about yourself and get to pat yourself on the back for living a "perfect life". Odds are, something is off. The easy road is to tell yourself you can't do it and just sit there doing nothing
I do more than most people I've met in my life lol. Most people I feel would cry and give up if they've been in just a fraction of the suffering I've endured, and if I cry, it's to not give up. You're seriously underestimating the heart, bravery and awesomeness coming out of this Norwegian.
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I wasn't calling you out on your shoulder injury, just saying that it doesn't prevent the rest of your body from exercising. I know nothing of your condition but i hope it has passed. You work out and i applaud that but i might be biased because to me gaining weight seems easier than to lose weight. I've never been under or overweight myself so i wouldn't know for sure. Are you doing mobility exercises for your whole body or just the shoulder? Is it stretching or strength conditioning (active stretching)? Shoulder must be the most complex joint and it is a real chore to get it working properly again. From what i've heard from a friend who had shoulder injuries you're supposed to do exercises through pain so that must suck. With that said, if something is difficult or hard for your body to do you should be doing more of it and less of the easy stuff. If it is difficult for you to squat, do assisted squats. Exercises for your ankles and hips help aswell.
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 27 2012 00:50. Posts 4742 | | |
mm, after my disease my small intenstence, or how you spell it stopped taking up complicated stuff, around 40 types of sugar. So what I can eat is extremly limited. And that helps the problem of not gaining weight, It's an interessting conondrum. Doctors and stuff seem to be finding the problem interessting, and I keep getting sent forms for research, and it's like every shrink in the building want time with me. Pair that with insanely fast metabolism = constant same weight.
I got so mad when they kept saying the same shit "ahh people think they eat more than they do, ahh, they eat a big meal and BLAM think they ate a lot, and don't eat for 5-6 hours".
So I started recording my eating, took pictures, and calculated calories, and tried for a 1 month to lie around 5500 calories a day. Go on the scale, exact same weight.
Now I'm even more confused, all that energy has to go somewhere, something has to happen to it, I dun get it. Maybe it just uhm, kinda passes through, and I poop it out? No idea, lol.
A little scared of doing exercises that hurt the shoulder, my first fysioterapaut gave me, and they were extremely painful, and he had diagnosed me wrong, and he then later found out it was a frozen shoulder. (Thanks to me, I started studying my symptions and found out he was wrong with his diagnosis). And then I got told to not use it for awhile.
And then I only walked trips n shit, I know I should have trained more, but was in too much pain to think clearly for too many hours of the day. Maybe if I had been even more bad ass I would have lol.
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cariadon   Estonia. Jul 27 2012 01:29. Posts 4019 | | |
When i had my knee injury (trauma) i went to a number of specialists and did all the tests. TLDR version is doctors are retards and it is easier for them to say you will never be able to do x y and z and if you continue doing what you do you might need surgery and wheelchairs and what not. After visiting countless dumbasses finally one orthopeditian recommended cycling and swimming and getting a knee strap. So that's where i got started with rehabilitation. My chiropractor is so badass he showed me a couple of exercises and doing them religiously got rid of the pain fast. After that i visited a professional rehabilitation nurse or w/e you call her and had a few appointments with a physiotherapist who works with the chiropractor. Improper training methods (right side much stronger than left, compare Nadals arms for example) coupled with the knee injury caused problems in the back. Back to the drawing board it was. From experience i can say doing exercises is key. From what i read about frozen shoulder syndrome you should be doing exercises every day religiously. And while at it, do some squats, you will see improvement for sure. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 27 2012 02:55. Posts 4742 | | |
I definitely agree wholeheartedly with your last post.
I feel I want to do A LOT MORE than I'm actually doing atm, but in the past I've been known to suddenly get immersed, addicted, lost in whatever it was I was seeking out. So being maybe too careful now.
Like when jogging, I hate the first 7 min, so hard, then next is easier, when I start to get really exhausted, and willpower kicks in, I start to become really happy and I want to go faster, go more. Like I want to keep going till I pass out, feint etc. (So now I stop myself at 20 minutes, and I stop the urge to go max speed and sprint till I almost pass out).
Before when I was younger and jogged, I often prepared for it, like I'd imagine best way to "fall" when I feinted. When I was feeling "trollish" I'd call to get a mate on a cycle with me to take care of me when the collaps comes. Just stupid shit (See how long I can jog at pretty good speed), and I keep at it for over an hour, and then when I'm so exhausted I feel like I'm on my limit, it feels as if the body start doing magical shit, you feel sensations you've not really felt before, like weird coctails are being made. So instead of stopping, calling it quits, I try to sprint, see what happens, and I go for max speed, see how many minuts I can do it.
Then well yea, usually not that good ending.
BUT, I feel I've learned from those mistakes (the being a retard mistakes). Well not 100%, but gotten a lot better at not being a full fledged retard.
(Kinda like the Greeks you might say, suffer my way to wisdom, yay). |
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Raidern   Brasil. Jul 27 2012 15:57. Posts 4243 | | |
| On July 27 2012 01:55 Mariuslol wrote:
Like when jogging, I hate the first 7 min, so hard, then next is easier, when I start to get really exhausted, and willpower kicks in, I start to become really happy and I want to go faster, go more. Like I want to keep going till I pass out, feint etc. (So now I stop myself at 20 minutes, and I stop the urge to go max speed and sprint till I almost pass out).
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hehe first 5-10 min are awful |
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ParadoxPLZ   Canada. Jul 28 2012 03:36. Posts 323 | | |
| On July 25 2012 18:14 Mariuslol wrote:
I've been experimenting with that one a bit lately, I just had one literally 20 minutes ago lol. I'll copy paste. It's from skype with my brother.
[12:48:05 AM] Michael: ha læst an
[12:48:11 AM] Michael: : D joda har merka det der
[12:48:15 AM] Michael: traff hode på spikern tel meg
[12:48:21 AM] Michael: har et problem atm, som eg jobb med!
[12:48:39 AM] mariusaglen: atm betyr
[12:48:41 AM] mariusaglen: at the moment
[12:48:44 AM] mariusaglen: mange trur d betyr
[12:48:45 AM] mariusaglen: ass to mouth
[12:48:48 AM] Michael: .........
[12:48:49 AM] mariusaglen: de e veldig lett å mix opp
[12:48:52 AM] mariusaglen: e bære sei
[12:49:02 AM] Michael: det hakke vært bra i den her sammenhengen
lol
I'll translate, I'll call my brother Mikipiki, and myself Me
Mikipiki: I've read it
Mikipiki: :D Yeah I've noticed
Mikipiki: Really hit the nail on the head for me
Mikipiki: Have an atm problem, that I'm working with!
Me: atm means
Me: at the moment
Me: Many people think it means
Me: ass to mouth
Mikipiki: ..........
Me: Very easy to mix up
Me: Just sayin
Mikipiki: Wouldn't have been good in this setting
Mikipiki: lol
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LOL
okay that makes more sense
in other words it's a subtle troll you're going for
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RiKD   United States. Jul 28 2012 10:03. Posts 8992 | | |
cariadon + all,
I would be interested in a stretching/yoga thread. Flexibility, mobility, inflammation, muscle balance, skeletal balance, posture are my biggest weaknesses right now and tend to always be my reason for sticking points/injuries. I would imagine a lot of people on this site are in similar boats with all the chronic sitting and computer usage many of us have had in our lifetimes.
It doesn't help that many of the repetitive bending, twisting, reaching actions in sports are pretty brutal on the body regardless of proper technique, warmup, care, etc.
I guess the biggest key is everything in moderation but moderation is probably another weakness for many people on this site.
Thanks for the book recco's. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jul 29 2012 01:19. Posts 4742 | | |
I bought one of them thingys that count the steps you take here the other day. And I'm still doing that "ninja" 5 min every morning for mobility, feels pretty good.
And I tried to take to heart that shit about getting up every hour and stretch, a few minuts break. Also that tip about, after having eaten a heavy meal, I go do some dishes, or some housework instead of laying down.
So far so good, feels pretty good.
Could use some better strech exercises maybe after having jogged, I just stretch whatever feels good for 10 - 15 minutes, mostly the normal, standard stuff.
LEt's see, I walkted 6503 steps yesterday!! I wonder if that's good lol. Think ur suppose to try and be around 10.000 each day or something along those lines.
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brambolius   Netherlands. Aug 04 2012 06:13. Posts 1708 | | |
wtf is this i dont even.... |
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