1.6mil dota2 tourney

I'm going

HoN FTW

vvv excited for this

I know fuck all about dota but I did watch the valve documentary trailer thing on the million dollar tourney along with the finals that they had up between Na'vi and Ehome(?). Gets a bit boring to watch (and one of the commentators was a spastic) but the amount of money on the line kept it exciting and high stakes.

Do the Australians have any chance? I read the bio thing and saw they beat Na'vi at some point but I don't know in what circumstances.

australians are probably the worst team in the tournament unfortunately

they have a good HON team though

for u to enjoy watching it you really have to play the game though, there are so many small things that are very amazing.

Yeah I thought they'd probably be shit haha.

I played dota for Frozen Throne I think it was years ago but like you say I have no idea about the small things each player is doing or what the strats are etc. As a gamer though I realise there is more going on than meets the eye. Like when they took ages (for the most part) at the start of each game to pick their heroes, I have no idea who counters who etc.

At high levels is it mostly knowing counters etc or is it a high apm game as well?

I still cant belive that this dota shit got so popular.. and this tournamet lol
I always hated does mods

There are far more amazing things for you to be saying "wow" about than SC2. It's a great game.

I never understood how Dota became so big.... I loved WC3 ROC & FT, but dota was just sooooooo boring and sooo long and all you do is control 1 unit? Is that still the case?

It just seems like it requires so much less skill than a games like wc3, bw, sc2

On August 27 2012 04:40 Babs wrote: I never understood how Dota became so big.... I loved WC3 ROC & FT, but dota was just sooooooo boring and sooo long and all you do is control 1 unit? Is that still the case? It just seems like it requires so much less skill than a games like wc3, bw, sc2

That's one of the appeals of the game I suppose. That you do have less to micro than your standard RTS. However, just because you have less to micro, doesn't mean its skill cap is lower than any other fantastic games. Kind of like how Street Fighter has only one character to control, but its depth is immense. In similar ways, dota is an incredibly complex game, deep enough that the game allows you to explore any sort of playstyle you want.

You find the game boring, I can't help that. Some people just do not enjoy dota. But there's a lot of sickness in dota that can really put a smile on your face. Something that's missing in many mainstream games of today like LoL and SC2.

skill cap in dota/lol is basically unlimited.

there are so many heroes and weapons to know. you have to know exactly what you can and what you can not do when you are next to an opponent. when i first started playing dota I played a few matches with Naz and all he used to say was "wtf are you doing?" rofl

On August 27 2012 12:14 Raidern wrote: skill cap in dota/lol is basically unlimited. there are so many heroes and weapons to know. you have to know exactly what you can and what you can not do when you are next to an opponent. when i first started playing dota I played a few matches with Naz and all he used to say was "wtf are you doing?" rofl

as and ex semi pro wc3 player id say dota/lol s skill cap is extremely limited and u can ask people like wobbly who were pro @ wc3 .. controlling 1 unit is just boring as fuck

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whats hard btw is 5 people cooperating to the optimal point in any given situation ... thats truelly hard - take away 99% of the pro players and put em solo mode and they wont be much better than any guy that uses his brain

BabyKnight, who actually played both games in a high level, talked about this when he was quitting dota:

"First of all, I want to say (to make sure I don't offend anyone) that both games have a pretty high skill cap. However, I do believe StarCraft [II] is the kind of game you must practice for at least a certain amount of hours (it differs from player to player) each day to maintain a stable level, thereby allowing a player to be able to compete (win?) in big tournaments. Thus I have been able to maintain a pretty high level in DotA, even though I almost purely practiced StarCraft II."

Whole interview but there is not much more on the topic: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news.php?id=15353

Yeah, you guys are clueless.

#t=37m30s

The skill potential this game is pretty damn endless. Character expertise, deeper understanding of the game, tighter mapcontrol, tighter lanecontrol, overall strategy and developing meta that never rests. Last hitting alone can come down to single frame after the second last hit. And no, LoL is nowhere closer to DotA in means of complexity. I don't know who babyknight is unfortunately, since I took a hiatus from the scene for like 3 years, but what he says is pretty true. Your skills do last in DotA, but to keep them sharp at a top tier is a different story. And to be really ahead of the curve is a completely different story.

Any good strategy player ( sc2/wc3/bw/whatever ) will be extremely good in dota/lol/hon as soon as he learns all the abilities of the champs and the basic concepts. Saying it has a skill cap or its endless can be put down to a philosophical question so w/e.However I can guarantee you that someone like the legends nada/boxer etc. comes into LoL he will be far ahead skillwise to any pro LoL player that didnt play such RTS's

On August 28 2012 16:29 Spitfiree wrote: Any good strategy player ( sc2/wc3/bw/whatever ) will be extremely good in dota/lol/hon as soon as he learns all the abilities of the champs and the basic concepts. Saying it has a skill cap or its endless can be put down to a philosophical question so w/e.However I can guarantee you that someone like the legends nada/boxer etc. comes into LoL he will be far ahead skillwise to any pro LoL player that didnt play such RTS's

Any good strategy player will be good in dota if he decides to put in the effort to be good at dota. Sometimes there are 10 heroes using multiple spells in the same area and not everyone can understand all that is going on and react properly. It's obviously a different kind of micro, but I do believe it requires better decision making (when a battle takes place) than SCBW.

Though a lot of the skillsets from playing competitive RTS will transfer, unless you are playing specific heroes like Meepo, or Chen (which do not exist in LoL, let's stop talking about that abomination), the multiunit-micro won't really matter too much. There are many other skillsets in this game that are unique to this game itself. I'm sure players like Nada and Flash will to fantastic in this game, but only because I think they're great gamers who can think critically about the game and find ways to beat the game. Not because their godlike SC skills directly transfer over to this game. Micro helps though.

holy crap sick prizepool

how are they able to have such large prizepools? is there an entry fee to play the tourney?